Partner and Compensaton Math Under New Program?
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For those who are smarter with numbers than I am...
For airline partners...
ASSUMING:
1 - partner earning rates do not change
2 - one does not care about UA status - don't fly often or already made lifetime status
For example, SFO-HKG, it is about 7000 miles each way, 14,000 R/T.
For 1K, it means the breakeven is 14,000/11 = $1272 which is probably between an S and W fare in low season?
For regular member, it means the breakeven is 14,000/5 = $2800 which is probably a Q fare? (Don't know, never paid that much)
THEN
If I can get a ticket on a competitor AC or Asian carriers for less than the breakeven price and earn 100% miles, then why do UA?
For other partners - do we foresee the ratios of miles earned change? I especially wonder about Marriott vacation package....
Would UA raise the price of the miles to partners?
For compensation, how would our math change on what to select? How would UA's math change on what to offer?
For airline partners...
ASSUMING:
1 - partner earning rates do not change
2 - one does not care about UA status - don't fly often or already made lifetime status
For example, SFO-HKG, it is about 7000 miles each way, 14,000 R/T.
For 1K, it means the breakeven is 14,000/11 = $1272 which is probably between an S and W fare in low season?
For regular member, it means the breakeven is 14,000/5 = $2800 which is probably a Q fare? (Don't know, never paid that much)
THEN
If I can get a ticket on a competitor AC or Asian carriers for less than the breakeven price and earn 100% miles, then why do UA?
For other partners - do we foresee the ratios of miles earned change? I especially wonder about Marriott vacation package....
Would UA raise the price of the miles to partners?
For compensation, how would our math change on what to select? How would UA's math change on what to offer?
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1. Your math is wrong. The break-even for SFO-HKG under new system is more like $2500. You've failed to account for the 1K bonus. That flight currently earns a 1K approx 28,000 RDM. Under the new system, the $1440 V I just flew would only earn around 14,000 RDM.
2. It is not safe to assume partner earning charts will remain the same, nor that there will be COS and/or Premier bonuses associated with partner flights. I view any calculation based on current knowledge as pointless speculation.
2. It is not safe to assume partner earning charts will remain the same, nor that there will be COS and/or Premier bonuses associated with partner flights. I view any calculation based on current knowledge as pointless speculation.
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Partner and Compensaton Math Under New Program?
Just think if UA goes to multipliers for awards just like WN did to match multipliers on earning
70 points per dollar x. $8,000 C RT fare = MP game over
70 points per dollar x. $8,000 C RT fare = MP game over
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If I'm understanding correctly, you are suggesting buying tickets for UA-metal flights from other *A carriers. However, according to the FAQ, any UA-operated flights, no matter the ticket stock, will still earn mileage based on fare paid. So this won't change anything.
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And anyone who thinks that the current partner earning charts, with elite bonus, will remain as they currently are, is just not getting it.
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Would UA jack up the rate they sell partners MP miles? Otherwise there would be more incentive for UA members to fly partner and credit to MP, right? Of course, those flyers are not what UA wants...
Could the entire Star Alliance be working on some kind of revenue data exchange and all go this way?
Definitely. I flew WN a lot less since RR 2.0. Not only it is not as fun a game, it is also pretty complicated.
Last edited by FlyinHawaiian; Jun 14, 2014 at 3:08 am Reason: multi-quote should be used

