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FlyerTom111 Jun 6, 2014 7:34 pm


Originally Posted by flyerdude88 (Post 22988159)
The sad thing is UA stock is still up 25% YTD and 55% over the past year. While DL, AA, and WN are up more, it's going to take a rather sharp dive in those numbers for investors to push him out.

By comparison the S&P is up 5% YTD and 20% over the past year - so he's still beating the S&P by a healthy margin and really that's all that matters in the end unfortunately

The whole stock market is insane.

MrMan Jun 6, 2014 9:11 pm


Originally Posted by jasonp622 (Post 22990323)
The idea of getting the United FA's to perform the hack WN routine is pretty funny

Or to perform a full drink service in coach and ask if you would like another on a fully loaded 737 55 minute flight

acvitale Jun 7, 2014 9:02 pm


Originally Posted by MileageAddict (Post 22987278)
If you think UA should abandon the domestic market through a partnership with another airline and focus entirely on international routes, you may want to research the history of PanAm and see how a similar strategy worked for them.

Pan Am never was allowed to have a domestic market during the CAB days. They never abandoned it. They bought National trying to build one up after the days of regulation came to an end. Too little too late.

History is good but please do not rewrite it with factually incorrect statements.

Pan Am had numerous shortfallings they tried to work around.

kettle1 Jun 7, 2014 9:43 pm


Originally Posted by acvitale (Post 22995745)
Pan Am never was allowed to have a domestic market during the CAB days. They never abandoned it. They bought National trying to build one up after the days of regulation came to an end. Too little too late.

History is good but please do not rewrite it with factually incorrect statements.

Pan Am had numerous shortfallings they tried to work around.

Pan Am also payed way to much for National - which flew North-South (a lot of Florida) - PA flew East-West. Very poor merger.

weero Jun 8, 2014 12:42 am


Originally Posted by Cargojon (Post 22988102)
..Last week I got home from Europe. On the way there I flew LH in Y, on the way home a UA 767. The UA plane was far far better than the LH flight. Given the choice I'd take the UA bird 10 times out of 10.

You should have done the ride in Biz ... the difference would have been far more striking.

Originally Posted by UnitedFlyGuy (Post 22990349)
Lol. I never understand people and loyalty. Fly whoever you want, loyalty programs are crap.

Time to update your handle to match your new creed.

horse glasses Jun 8, 2014 2:51 am

There's not really a nice way to say this. People complain about "kettles". Imagine having to travel with the Southwest crowd. I would probably have to take AA up on their offers.

diver858 Jun 8, 2014 3:14 am

UA was dependent on US for filling holes in its route system, offloading lower margin fares, award redemptions. With the consolidation in the US airline industry, there are few if any good replacement options for US, putting UA in a tough spot.

skrobo21 Jun 8, 2014 10:26 am

They would have to codeshare with bus and train companies as well. Shuttling between MDW-ORD and HOU-IAH

airplanegod Jun 8, 2014 10:30 am


Originally Posted by skrobo21 (Post 22997792)
They would have to codeshare with bus and train companies as well. Shuttling between MDW-ORD and HOU-IAH

They do codeshare with Amtrak in the Northeast, especially from EWR.

airplanegod Jun 8, 2014 10:32 am


Originally Posted by horse glasses (Post 22996479)
There's not really a nice way to say this. People complain about "kettles". Imagine having to travel with the Southwest crowd. I would probably have to take AA up on their offers.

Eh, doing a fair amount of flying on WN, FL, and B6, the masses and the DYKWIA crowd is really the same across the board. Probably different in Europe/Asia but people are bad on every airline and some are good on every airline.

mgcsinc Jun 8, 2014 11:38 am


Originally Posted by horse glasses (Post 22996479)
There's not really a nice way to say this. People complain about "kettles". Imagine having to travel with the Southwest crowd. I would probably have to take AA up on their offers.

Oh man, what a horror it would be to travel with people who manage to board a plane in a reasonable manner and without acting like idiots!


Originally Posted by airplanegod (Post 22997820)
They do codeshare with Amtrak in the Northeast, especially from EWR.

Only from EWR.


Originally Posted by airplanegod (Post 22997826)
Eh, doing a fair amount of flying on WN, FL, and B6, the masses and the DYKWIA crowd is really the same across the board. Probably different in Europe/Asia but people are bad on every airline and some are good on every airline.

^

LilAbner Jun 8, 2014 12:00 pm

One undeniable fact is the WN can turn a plane in less than 1/2 the time as almost any other carrier---

1. The f/a's clean the cabin and fold the seatbelts, after landing and before boarding.
2. The WN kettle's are pro's and know how to line up, move rapidly to grab a better seat than the person following them, and make sure that they jam their carry-on's in the overhead, and get out of the aisle, before someone plop's down in a seat that they subliminally dibbed.
3. My bags are always at the carrousel in LAS when I get down there on WN.
On every flight, no matter what time of day or night, it's a minimum of 45 minutes until anything happens at baggage claim on UA. The baggage handlers on WN seem to have gone to a much different luggage academy than UA ground crews.

JBord Jun 8, 2014 12:04 pm


Originally Posted by mgcsinc (Post 22998109)
Oh man, what a horror it would be to travel with people who manage to board a plane in a reasonable manner and without acting like idiots!

I admit I try not to fly WN, but the few times I have, the boarding process outside the plane is orderly, but it's kind of a scramble in the plane. It's been a few years, maybe their process has changed.

I would characterize the overall difference as non-elites on UA feel like cattle, and everyone on WN feels like cattle. I'm sure many will disagree. And to be fair, I will say the crews on WN are incredibly pleasant to be around, which is rare on UA. Depends on what you value in your flight experience. I'm not needy and mostly keep to myself so the grumpy UA crews don't really bother me.

LilAbner Jun 8, 2014 12:15 pm


Originally Posted by JBord (Post 22998232)
I admit I try not to fly WN, but the few times I have, the boarding process outside the plane is orderly, but it's kind of a scramble in the plane. It's been a few years, maybe their process has changed.

Getting a boarding pass at "EXACTLY" T-24 on WN is a pita! Once you're on the plane it's pretty good and with the exception of a lot of loud drunk kettles flying to LAS, it ain't half bad.

Needed 3 one-way's from DEN-LAS for 12/28/2014 and UA wanted around $250.00 each (checked every day for 3 mo's). Waited for 2 months until WN opened inventory and got all three for $99.00 each. UA may drop their price later over New Years week-end, but I don't care --- We got our tickets - UA over (12/24) and WN back! I wasn't gonna pay and extra $453.00 for 629 MP miles for the Abner's!

JBord Jun 8, 2014 12:36 pm


Originally Posted by LilAbner (Post 22998283)
Getting a boarding pass at "EXACTLY" T-24 on WN is a pita! Once you're on the plane it's pretty good and with the exception of a lot of loud drunk kettles flying to LAS, it ain't half bad.

Sat near a bachelorette party from MDW-LAS once and it was the most annoying 4 hours ever. Screeching, whooping, singing, etc. I think this is what people mean when they comment on WN kettles. They just seem to market to and attract the infrequent, leisure travel only crowd. I have no problem with the airline or their business model. But this is a significantly different customer demographic than UA wants to attract (regardless of their recent success at it).


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