Feb 1, 2014, 5:46 pm
Last edit by: ianmanka
Per Cleveland Airport System press release (dead link):
Eliminated CLE service:
April: BTV, BDL, MHT, MSN, YUL, OKC, PHL, PBI, PVD, RDU
May: CLT, MDT (announced Mar 31), SDF, MSP, BNA, PIT (announced Mar 31)
June: ALB (announced Mar 31), ATL, AUS, BWI (announced Mar 31), BFD*, BUF, CMH, DAY,DUJ* (pushed to October because of EAS regulations), ERI, FNT, FKL*, GRR, GSP, MDT, IND, JHW*, MCI, MSY, PKB* (pushed to October because of EAS regulations), PHX, PIT, RIC, ROC, SYR, YYZ
October: DUJ, PKB (due to DOT EAS regulations)
Per Cleveland FOX 8 report (announced on Dec 3):
March 5, 2015: DFW
April 7, 2015: RSW, FLL, TPA
*Essential Air Service Subject to DOT approval
From Cleveland.com article on March 31, 2014:
"Replacement" Routes:
Eliminated UA service: DUJ, PKB (now serviced by 3M, Silver Airways, a codeshare partner of UA, not a UAX carrier, Per gusd (Post #898))
Possible eliminated UA service: BFD, FKL, JHW
Per SteveHK screenshot (Post #75):
Nonstop service kept:ALB, BWI (announced Mar 31), ORD, DEN, IAH, LAX, EWR, SFO, IAD, BOS, DCA, DFW, FLL, (announced Dec 3) LAS, LGA, MCO, MKE, RSW, (announced Dec 3) STL, TPA (announced Dec 3)
Seasonal service kept: CUN, CHS, NAS, SJU
Discrepancies:
New peak day departures: 72 (-64%, from 199)
New peak day nonstop destinations: 20 (-66%, from 58)
New peak day seats: 6,121 (-51%, from 12,384)
New schedule: From @United (twitter) interaction with Surface Interval : We’ll be reducing flights in Cleveland beginning in April, with the new schedule available starting Feb. 8, 2014. And should be complete by Feb. 11, 2014, according to this mass e-mail from UA: "Over the next several days, we will be updating our flight schedules, which could result in changes to the flight times for your trip. If that does happen, we will send you an email with an updated itinerary on or before February 11. You may also review your itinerary any time at united.com."
Eliminated CLE service:
April: BTV, BDL, MHT, MSN, YUL, OKC, PHL, PBI, PVD, RDU
May: CLT, MDT (announced Mar 31), SDF, MSP, BNA, PIT (announced Mar 31)
June: ALB (announced Mar 31), ATL, AUS, BWI (announced Mar 31), BFD*, BUF, CMH, DAY,
October: DUJ, PKB (due to DOT EAS regulations)
Per Cleveland FOX 8 report (announced on Dec 3):
March 5, 2015: DFW
April 7, 2015: RSW, FLL, TPA
*Essential Air Service Subject to DOT approval
From Cleveland.com article on March 31, 2014:
"United will cease offering regional service from Cleveland to Albany and Baltimore effective June 5, and will end service from Cleveland to Harrisburg and Pittsburgh on April 30 as opposed to June, as originally planned," United spokesman Rahsaan Johnson said.
- FNT-ORD (3x daily), ERI-ORD (2x daily) (Starts June 5)
- IAD-PKB, IAD-DUJ (3x daily) by 3M (Silver Airways, codeshare with UA, but not UAX) (Starts Oct 1)
Eliminated UA service: DUJ, PKB (now serviced by 3M, Silver Airways, a codeshare partner of UA, not a UAX carrier, Per gusd (Post #898))
Possible eliminated UA service: BFD, FKL, JHW
Per SteveHK screenshot (Post #75):
Nonstop service kept:
Seasonal service kept: CUN, CHS, NAS, SJU
Discrepancies:
- MIA & PWM not mentioned in Cleveland Airport System press release, but mentioned in the screenshot.
New peak day departures: 72 (-64%, from 199)
New peak day nonstop destinations: 20 (-66%, from 58)
New peak day seats: 6,121 (-51%, from 12,384)
New schedule: From @United (twitter) interaction with Surface Interval : We’ll be reducing flights in Cleveland beginning in April, with the new schedule available starting Feb. 8, 2014. And should be complete by Feb. 11, 2014, according to this mass e-mail from UA: "Over the next several days, we will be updating our flight schedules, which could result in changes to the flight times for your trip. If that does happen, we will send you an email with an updated itinerary on or before February 11. You may also review your itinerary any time at united.com."
Press Conference called regarding United’s future at CLE [Good night Cleveland...]
May 21, 2014, 8:33 pm
#751
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Not sure if this means anything or is a simple mistake, but I happened to be looking at the terminal map on ua.com and now under CLE concourse B is listed as "United and United Express"... a sign of things to come?
I wasn't reading too much into it as it's probably a mistake but it would be interesting to know which gates UA plans to use post June 3. We know they are consolidating in C but will they actually use all of them?
I'm aware they are making lease payments for many years to come so it seems unlikely there would be any carrier shuffling in the short term.
I wasn't reading too much into it as it's probably a mistake but it would be interesting to know which gates UA plans to use post June 3. We know they are consolidating in C but will they actually use all of them?
I'm aware they are making lease payments for many years to come so it seems unlikely there would be any carrier shuffling in the short term.
May 21, 2014, 8:55 pm
#752
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I for one, am happy for that new PHX flight, opens up alot of easy and flexible redemptions to anywhere in the SW. While F9 will serve its purpose, I likely won't use it too often due to limited flexibility, although I did see the trenton flights at $39 o/w one day before departure recently. IF flights are $200 r/t to florida I could see alot of people making weekend trips to florida.
As for the rental car facility? Garbage. Cleveland just got Uber and Lyft, so if you're not going to far away that could be a good option. Note: they will not pick you up at the airport, however you could take the rapid transit (train) up 1+ stop and they could collect you there. I feel sorry for business travelers that have to put up with the rental car madness.
As for the rental car facility? Garbage. Cleveland just got Uber and Lyft, so if you're not going to far away that could be a good option. Note: they will not pick you up at the airport, however you could take the rapid transit (train) up 1+ stop and they could collect you there. I feel sorry for business travelers that have to put up with the rental car madness.
May 21, 2014, 9:13 pm
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Another awful aspect of the car rental operation at Hopkins is the buses. Rather than shoot for a vendor that could provide top-tier bus service (of the kind that Hertz and Avis provide), Ricky S. apparently went for the lowest common denominator. The drivers are cranky and would rather stand around on the sidewalk smoking than help passengers with their luggage. IIRC at the airport itself, there's no shelter for pax waiting to get aboard for their bone-jarring ride to the rental center. Buses are sometimes packed and the luggage is all over the aisle. On one trip, the driver handed the PA microphone to some small children so they could sing on the way to the rental car center (cute, but not exactly what businesspeople want to hear). And for the privilege of being subjected to this wonderful service, people renting cars in CLE pay some of the highest car rental taxes in the country (in part to support the new football stadium).
May 21, 2014, 9:20 pm
#754
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Not sure if this means anything or is a simple mistake, but I happened to be looking at the terminal map on ua.com and now under CLE concourse B is listed as "United and United Express"... a sign of things to come?
I wasn't reading too much into it as it's probably a mistake but it would be interesting to know which gates UA plans to use post June 3. We know they are consolidating in C but will they actually use all of them?
I'm aware they are making lease payments for many years to come so it seems unlikely there would be any carrier shuffling in the short term.
I wasn't reading too much into it as it's probably a mistake but it would be interesting to know which gates UA plans to use post June 3. We know they are consolidating in C but will they actually use all of them?
I'm aware they are making lease payments for many years to come so it seems unlikely there would be any carrier shuffling in the short term.
Remember what happened after the 1986 hub closure, UA eventually moved it's operations from C to B also moved it's ticket counter and CO took over it. That is why this scenario brings back painful memories. UA had approximenetly 100 flights in 1986 most mainline which dwindled down to about 12 to ORD, IAD, and DEN but DEN service was cut too since CO took that route.
May 21, 2014, 9:22 pm
#755
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Not sure if this means anything or is a simple mistake, but I happened to be looking at the terminal map on ua.com and now under CLE concourse B is listed as "United and United Express"... a sign of things to come?
I wasn't reading too much into it as it's probably a mistake but it would be interesting to know which gates UA plans to use post June 3. We know they are consolidating in C but will they actually use all of them?
I'm aware they are making lease payments for many years to come so it seems unlikely there would be any carrier shuffling in the short term.
I wasn't reading too much into it as it's probably a mistake but it would be interesting to know which gates UA plans to use post June 3. We know they are consolidating in C but will they actually use all of them?
I'm aware they are making lease payments for many years to come so it seems unlikely there would be any carrier shuffling in the short term.
The map probably hasn't been updated since the PMUA flights were moved to C concourse. 
Since you got me looking, the United mobile app terminal map appears to not have been updated since 2012. Shows Southwest and Frontier in the old positions next to United counter, and Air Canada over on the other side where Southwest is now.
Now there's a place where Jeff can cut costs. Fire the "Point Inside" company that produces those pathetic terminal maps. Worst implementation of a mobile mapping application I've ever seen. Completely worthless.
Last edited by paule123; May 21, 2014 at 9:31 pm
May 21, 2014, 9:48 pm
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I remember those days. I think they had a Red Carpet Club there that may have be unstaffed.
May 21, 2014, 11:14 pm
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May 22, 2014, 7:33 am
#758
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Why would they want to close the club, UA will at this for now have more flights out of CLE then any non hub airport and as a comparison PIT, CVG, and STL have clubs. UA has already distroyed enough. I am not even sure why UA has expanded their advertisements at Progressive Field.
May 22, 2014, 8:12 am
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Why would they want to close the club, UA will at this for now have more flights out of CLE then any non hub airport and as a comparison PIT, CVG, and STL have clubs. UA has already distroyed enough. I am not even sure why UA has expanded their advertisements at Progressive Field.
Regarding the ads at Jacobs Field -- you said yourself that UA still has a major presence at Hopkins, and presumably they want to make the most of it. Given all the negative press about the UA service reductions at Hopkins, I'm sure there are people around who would subconsciously "book away" from UA. The ads reinforce the fact that UA a) is still around at CLE and b) still wants people's business.
May 22, 2014, 8:21 am
#760
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UA hasn't distroyed [sic] anything. They've presumably done what they think will create shareholder value. The way to destroy things like airlines is to keep investing or pouring money into a station or hub (for sentimental or other reasons) when the investment isn't turning a profit (or at a minimum breaking even), or when the investment is turning less of a profit than if the money was put elsewhere. That's why the UA agreement with Hopkins about keeping the hub open is based almost exclusively on profit and loss figures.
May 22, 2014, 8:29 am
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Why would they want to close the club, UA will at this for now have more flights out of CLE then any non hub airport and as a comparison PIT, CVG, and STL have clubs. UA has already distroyed enough. I am not even sure why UA has expanded their advertisements at Progressive Field.
May 22, 2014, 1:19 pm
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RNE, besides Chase, I forbid CLE's club closure.
May 22, 2014, 1:22 pm
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I am trying to remember United did have a Red Carpet Club on C before they moved but not sure where it was. It was not the location of the current former CO Presidents club as that was built new in the 1990's. Does anyone remember.
May 22, 2014, 1:32 pm
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UA hasn't distroyed [sic] anything. They've presumably done what they think will create shareholder value. The way to destroy things like airlines is to keep investing or pouring money into a station or hub (for sentimental or other reasons) when the investment isn't turning a profit (or at a minimum breaking even), or when the investment is turning less of a profit than if the money was put elsewhere. That's why the UA agreement with Hopkins about keeping the hub open is based almost exclusively on profit and loss figures.
May 22, 2014, 2:42 pm
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Original RCC was a basement location near C9.
NW had a club across the way in C.
US had a club in A.
AA had a club in A near the bridge and restrooms.
With the merger they should open one of the two shuttered closed clubs up.