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invisible Aug 15, 2013 9:53 pm

Using fare rules to maximize number of miles
 
I will have upcoming roudtrip SIN-SFO-SIN trip in September/October. I must fly economy according to company's travel policy and can book any fare class in economy except Y and B.

Question: which fare class would be preferable to maximize number of miles thru the number of connections without significantly affecting price of the ticket? Secondly, what connection airports would be preferable in this case?

Thank you.

FlyerChrisK Aug 15, 2013 10:15 pm

UA has consistent routing rules across all of its fare classes, so buying an expensive M fare isn't any advantage to you in terms of earning miles.

If time is not an issue, consider SFO-LAX-HNL-NRT/GUM-HKG-SIN?

mduell Aug 15, 2013 10:23 pm

Use hipmunk with the ITA advanced routing language to see how you can maximize connections/miles. For the origin enter "SIN :: ua ua ua ua+" to see flights with a minimum of 3 connections.

Ideally route something like SIN-NRT-GUM-HNL-LAX-SFO for miles.

astroflyer Aug 15, 2013 10:47 pm


Originally Posted by mduell (Post 21282118)
Ideally route something like SIN-NRT-GUM-HNL-LAX-SFO for miles.

If I turned in something like that, I think I'd raise a few eyebrows in the travel office.

invisible Aug 15, 2013 10:58 pm


Originally Posted by astroflyer (Post 21282191)
If I turned in something like that, I think I'd raise a few eyebrows in the travel office.

Affirmative. I was more hoping to get something like SIN-NRT-IAH-SFO or SIN-NRT-EWR-SFO

astroflyer Aug 16, 2013 8:38 am


Originally Posted by invisible (Post 21282233)
Affirmative. I was more hoping to get something like SIN-NRT-IAH-SFO or SIN-NRT-EWR-SFO

You might actually find that one of those combinations, especially the former prices out cheaper that just SIN-NRT-SFO as the NRT-SFO flight can be quite busy.

valor155 Aug 16, 2013 8:47 am


Originally Posted by astroflyer (Post 21282191)
If I turned in something like that, I think I'd raise a few eyebrows in the travel office.

Ha . . . that's true but you did ask, "Question: which fare class would be preferable to maximize number of miles thru the number of connections without significantly affecting price of the ticket?"

He did try to max out your miles. So, max miles without raising eyebrows.

mduell Aug 16, 2013 9:02 am


Originally Posted by invisible (Post 21282233)
Affirmative. I was more hoping to get something like SIN-NRT-IAH-SFO or SIN-NRT-EWR-SFO

NRT-EWR-SFO is OK, but GUM-HNL-SFO raises eyebrows?

astroflyer Aug 16, 2013 9:37 am


Originally Posted by mduell (Post 21284159)
NRT-EWR-SFO is OK, but GUM-HNL-SFO raises eyebrows?

Well, that's a bit silly, but those are major hubs. Connecting in Honolulu and Guam, and Hong Kong on the way to Singapore, just sounds a lot stranger to me. Then again, it doesn't sound all that strange after reading this board.

aacharya Aug 16, 2013 10:02 am

Does corporate travel even look at full itineraries? If the price is cheaper, and you're not wasting company time, why is the routing a concern?

boss315 Aug 16, 2013 10:17 am

Sometimes I buy the M fare and then upgrade(change the ticket) to a B fare in the 24 hour window so that there is no change fee...IF the B fare is not too expensive...probably outrageous TPAC. Many times, it's cheaper to just buy the miles via Maximizer

WineCountryUA Aug 16, 2013 7:50 pm


Originally Posted by invisible (Post 21282017)
....
Question: which fare class would be preferable to maximize number of miles thru the number of connections without significantly affecting price of the ticket? Secondly, what connection airports would be preferable in this case? ....

:confused: You would purchase as high as M fare and then worry about the costs of connections?? The fare class is a greater driver of costs then connections.

invisible Aug 17, 2013 5:36 am


Originally Posted by mduell (Post 21284159)
NRT-EWR-SFO is OK, but GUM-HNL-SFO raises eyebrows?

We have offices in San Francisco and NY. Going to either of those is quite logical. Going to Guam will definitely raise red flag.


Originally Posted by aacharya (Post 21284466)
If the price is cheaper, and you're not wasting company time, why is the routing a concern?

Corporate travel policies defy human logic. I once found a routing from SIN to FRA which was twice cheaper comparing to non-stop flight but was told that it was not allowed according to corporate travel policy.


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 21287199)
The fare class is a greater driver of costs then connections.

So SIN-SFO with four connections in between on K would be cheaper than SIN-NRT-SFO on W?

Regarding the routing rules - are they individual with every fare?

txp Aug 17, 2013 7:36 am

The difference between the M fare and the P (discounted first class fare) is always low. For example, on a RT from IAH to EWR, the M fare could be $1400 and the discounted P fare was $1500. For $100 you get to sit in FC *and* you get 50% miles and PQM bonus. Hard to beat.

When you buy the M fare, wait till the ticket is actually issued in M class. Then you can either upgrade online to P or you can call United. If you change within 24 hours, there will be no fees other than the fare difference.


Originally Posted by txp (Post 21288713)
The difference between the M fare and the P (discounted first class fare) is always low. For example, on a RT from IAH to EWR, the M fare could be $1400 and the discounted P fare was $1500. For $100 you get to sit in FC *and* you get 50% miles and PQM bonus. Hard to beat.

When you buy the M fare, wait till the ticket is actually issued in M class. Then you can either upgrade online to P or you can call United. If you change within 24 hours, there will be no fees other than the fare difference.

OK, just ignore my answer. Did not read question carefully and did not realize this was an int'l flight. This strategy works for domestic flights where differences in M and P fares are small. I will leave this to others who have more experience with int'l market.

invisible Aug 17, 2013 8:04 am


Originally Posted by txp (Post 21288722)
Did not read question carefully and did not realize this was an int'l flight.

Yep. SIN-SFO: P - $4866, M - $2649.


Originally Posted by astroflyer (Post 21284020)
You might actually find that one of those combinations, especially the former prices out cheaper that just SIN-NRT-SFO as the NRT-SFO flight can be quite busy.

Amazing (or not amazing), but SIN-HKG-ORD-EWR with return EWR-NRT-SIN is cheaper than roudtrip SIN-NRT-SFO...

Can anyone explain this?

Code:

Transfer restrictions
  1 TRANSFER PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION FREE
      1 FREE IN JAPAN/HONG KONG SAR IN EACH DIRECTION.
  AND - 1 TRANSFER PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION FREE
            FREE IN CONTIGUOUS U.S.A. IN EACH DIRECTION
          FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND
          EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE
          COMPONENT.

Combinability
  DOUBLE OPEN JAWS NOT PERMITTED.
  END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED.
  APPLICABLE ADD-ON CONSTRUCTION IS ADDRESSED IN
  MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS - CATEGORY 23.
  OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
    FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
    -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS
    -TO FORM ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS.
  PROVIDED -
    COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER NH/UA IN
      RULE JS31 IN TARIFF
      IPRP    - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA PACIFIC
      IPRPC  - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 VIA PACIFIC.

Does above rule mean that in addition to NRT/HKG one more stop is permitted? If yes, where that stop can be? Also, what is 'side trip'?


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