Earliest pull-back from gate ever?
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Earliest pull-back from gate ever?
Flew 3454 today, the UX E70 LGA-ORD segment. Blowing through security way too quickly today, I was at the gate T-35 (though the BP said T-25...making progress UX!). I was confused as the door was open and the gate area was virtually empty. I saw someone board and asked the GA if that pax was a nonrev or something...he said "no, we're boarding, the captain wants to leave early". So I got on the plane and was one of the last ones on...basically at T-30 at this point.
We ended up pulling out from the gate at T-18 (with the door shut a few minutes before that...all pax were on board, so I guess we were clear to shut the door. Makes me wonder though what would have happened if we were still 1 short...would they have stopped the world record pull-back time?
Quickest LGA-ORD flight ever - we were in the air at 3:57 for a 4pm scheduled departure (when does that happen at LGA?), the plane was only in the air 1:50 (crazy fast for westbound), and we landed an hour "early" (though we went to the penalty box for a bit).
So PO'd that I had to check my bag due to the over-eagerness to board, but I guess the pilot got the clearance for an early slot from ATC, so I supposed I'd be busting a move in that situation too.
Curious what others think about this...
We ended up pulling out from the gate at T-18 (with the door shut a few minutes before that...all pax were on board, so I guess we were clear to shut the door. Makes me wonder though what would have happened if we were still 1 short...would they have stopped the world record pull-back time?
Quickest LGA-ORD flight ever - we were in the air at 3:57 for a 4pm scheduled departure (when does that happen at LGA?), the plane was only in the air 1:50 (crazy fast for westbound), and we landed an hour "early" (though we went to the penalty box for a bit).
So PO'd that I had to check my bag due to the over-eagerness to board, but I guess the pilot got the clearance for an early slot from ATC, so I supposed I'd be busting a move in that situation too.
Curious what others think about this...
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It's a bit annoying though IMO as I rely on that boarding time on the BP. But it all worked out well enough, esp. since the yellow handle worked like a charm at ORD.
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I recall a UX flight ex-IAD where I stopped by the terminal C RCC and was informed by the agent, "You know, your flight is boarding right now, and it's in a different terminal (A)."
I looked at my BP, said, "But boarding isn't scheduled for another 40 minutes."
The agent said, "The system says they're already boarding."
I rushed over to A, and sure enough, they'd already boarded everyone, and the GA was a bit put out that I'd "delayed" them (we were still at that point something like 27 minutes before scheduled boarding).
I looked at my BP, said, "But boarding isn't scheduled for another 40 minutes."
The agent said, "The system says they're already boarding."
I rushed over to A, and sure enough, they'd already boarded everyone, and the GA was a bit put out that I'd "delayed" them (we were still at that point something like 27 minutes before scheduled boarding).
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Context?
Plane is literally full, all passengers accounted for, why not (leave early)?
Empty seats, everyone accounted for, another flight within a couple hours... why not?
Empty seats, everyone accounted for, irrops in the system? Different story.
There are days when a fair number of passengers are on rebooked flights. They should be given as much chance to get home as possible, and flights leaving early isn't a kind thing to do.
Was the "posted" time the originally-scheduled departure, or already updated? OK, looked it up on FlightAware. Original departure 11:18, actual departure wasn't until 11:29 despite intentions otherwise.
Empty seats, everyone accounted for, another flight within a couple hours... why not?
Empty seats, everyone accounted for, irrops in the system? Different story.
There are days when a fair number of passengers are on rebooked flights. They should be given as much chance to get home as possible, and flights leaving early isn't a kind thing to do.
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I recall a UX flight ex-IAD where I stopped by the terminal C RCC and was informed by the agent, "You know, your flight is boarding right now, and it's in a different terminal (A)."
I looked at my BP, said, "But boarding isn't scheduled for another 40 minutes."
The agent said, "The system says they're already boarding."
I rushed over to A, and sure enough, they'd already boarded everyone, and the GA was a bit put out that I'd "delayed" them (we were still at that point something like 27 minutes before scheduled boarding).
I looked at my BP, said, "But boarding isn't scheduled for another 40 minutes."
The agent said, "The system says they're already boarding."
I rushed over to A, and sure enough, they'd already boarded everyone, and the GA was a bit put out that I'd "delayed" them (we were still at that point something like 27 minutes before scheduled boarding).
I had a flight on some godforsaken airline once -- I think it was maybe F9? I get in the check-in line around T-65, after the kiosk refuses to print my BP. It takes around ten minutes to get to the front, and when I do, the woman looks at me like I'm insane.
"You're not gonna make that flight." "Why not?" "Because it's about to close!" "It's an hour before the flight!" "Exactly!"
She hands me a BP, and says good luck. I run to security, cut the entire line like a d-bag, and then begin to run for the gate. Over the loud speaker, I hear them announcing that the flight is closing, and demanding my presence immediately. I get there, they look incredibly annoyed at me, and the close the door right after I board. This was at like T-40. It was like the Twilight Zone.
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UAL155 PTPN-PTKK was OUT 33 minutes before scheduled departure and even OFF 25 minutes before scheduled departure.
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Last year, 8AM flight, BKK-PNH on TG. Boarding to begin at 7:30 and I know TG usually begins T-20 for 734 segments.
At 7:25 we are paged in the lounge and the front desk informs me we're the last two passengers and the flight is ready to leave.
It's before the never adhered to boarding time still!!!!
Thankfully it was a close gate and we were the only two pax in C so avoided the glowering stares except for rows 31/32 (TG Y starts at 31).
At 7:25 we are paged in the lounge and the front desk informs me we're the last two passengers and the flight is ready to leave.
It's before the never adhered to boarding time still!!!!Thankfully it was a close gate and we were the only two pax in C so avoided the glowering stares except for rows 31/32 (TG Y starts at 31).
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Two years ago, flying UX out of YYZ, I was paged in the MLL at T-35: "If you're on United flight ???, your airplane is boarding NOW for an immediate departure!"
I limped at top speed for about 5 minutes to the gate, and the plane pushed about 30 seconds after I boarded. I must have looked completely deer-in-the-headlights when I asked the FA what had happened, because she started laughing (in a nice way). Turns out, the flight arrived early, and there's a limit to how long they can sit on the ground without forcing the the crew to clear customs. So it was a choice between (1) leaving at T-29, or (2) taking a delay while the whole crew got off and cleared customs.
Fun times...
I limped at top speed for about 5 minutes to the gate, and the plane pushed about 30 seconds after I boarded. I must have looked completely deer-in-the-headlights when I asked the FA what had happened, because she started laughing (in a nice way). Turns out, the flight arrived early, and there's a limit to how long they can sit on the ground without forcing the the crew to clear customs. So it was a choice between (1) leaving at T-29, or (2) taking a delay while the whole crew got off and cleared customs.
Fun times...
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Winter 2011/12 on a BOS - ORD flight ahead of a winter storm. GA and RCC agents announced that captain wanted to leave 20 min early and they would begin boarding immediately. We boarded very quickly with both the Capt and FO on the jetbridge and in the cabin helping things along. We pushed 30 min prior to departure and, based on the loads, my guess is we left some folks behind. It looks like BOS effectively shut down shortly after our departure.
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I see alot of CO crews (and repeats of the same ones) that tell me they want to leave early. I always reply that after the checking cutoff, if every checked in passengers are on, and if all of the other depts are done (all bags accounted for, aircraft fully catered...) I've got no problem locking it up early. Usually there is an inbound connecting flight with people on it (I work at a hub) that prevents 100% of people and bags to be on significantly early, so what's the pointing in boarding the remaining passengers early to sit on the aircraft for 30 min? Extremely early dptrs lead to extremely early arrivals. Most airports don't have an unlimited supply of gates so penalty box waits happen. People in the box, even when early often perceive they are late and get ticked off. I'm all for a few early if it doesn't leave people or bags behind, but there's a limit becore extremely early departures creates more problems than it solves.



