United cancels reservation, ruins anniversary trip
#16
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Numerous threads about this on DL too. Regretably, there are two ways to avoid this problem in IRROPS:
1. Confirm w. whoever physically issues the new BP's that the remainder of the itinerary is properly intact and ask for a physical print out (even if you toss it).
2. Call in upon arrival to confirm that the remainder of the itinerary is intact.
Should you need to do this? No. Should you? Yes.
Once seats are "gone" they are gone.
1. Confirm w. whoever physically issues the new BP's that the remainder of the itinerary is properly intact and ask for a physical print out (even if you toss it).
2. Call in upon arrival to confirm that the remainder of the itinerary is intact.
Should you need to do this? No. Should you? Yes.
Once seats are "gone" they are gone.
I always double & triple check my reservations, especially after irrops. If you don't, you are inviting problems that could have been more correctable days earlier
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#17
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I had the rest of my PNR disappear after a rebooking of a misconnect last month. Not sure why they struggle with rebookings so much, but they do. I do want to say, unlike the original poster who had a tough time, mine was handled very well.
I noticed the PNR was gone about 36 hours before my return flight. Called the line, and since I was in a noisy restaurant, the voice recognition couldn't understand me, so I got routed to a general agent. He rebooked the flight. When I asked for a seat, my aisle in E- was gone, and only middles were left. I asked to be placed in E+, and he first told me he was going to charge me. I explained (politely) that in 12 hours I could put myself in E+ for free, and since my aisle seat was lost due to United's error, I would think he could put me in E+ for free now, 12 hours ahead. He did so without further hesitation.
All in all took about 5 minutes (plus 10 minutes getting through the voice prompts. very frustrating when they can't understand you and don't even want to put you through an agent because he can't understand the word "yes" for domestic).
So United can handle this well. Sorry it wasn't for the OP and others. Now they need to figure out why they can't rebook people without issues.
I noticed the PNR was gone about 36 hours before my return flight. Called the line, and since I was in a noisy restaurant, the voice recognition couldn't understand me, so I got routed to a general agent. He rebooked the flight. When I asked for a seat, my aisle in E- was gone, and only middles were left. I asked to be placed in E+, and he first told me he was going to charge me. I explained (politely) that in 12 hours I could put myself in E+ for free, and since my aisle seat was lost due to United's error, I would think he could put me in E+ for free now, 12 hours ahead. He did so without further hesitation.
All in all took about 5 minutes (plus 10 minutes getting through the voice prompts. very frustrating when they can't understand you and don't even want to put you through an agent because he can't understand the word "yes" for domestic).
So United can handle this well. Sorry it wasn't for the OP and others. Now they need to figure out why they can't rebook people without issues.
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What I always wonder about when people say this is as follows:
* If your expected number of terrible travel experiences is about 1 per 100 tickets flown,
* And you switch carriers and mark the old one as "dead to you" after one terrible travel experience,
* And you buy about 50 tickets for yourself per year,
* What happens after about year 10, when expectation says that you have abandoned every major US carrier? Do you stop travelling? Fly private? Cycle back to the carrier you abandoned after bad experience #1 and hope they've changed?
* If your expected number of terrible travel experiences is about 1 per 100 tickets flown,
* And you switch carriers and mark the old one as "dead to you" after one terrible travel experience,
* And you buy about 50 tickets for yourself per year,
* What happens after about year 10, when expectation says that you have abandoned every major US carrier? Do you stop travelling? Fly private? Cycle back to the carrier you abandoned after bad experience #1 and hope they've changed?
This is not to take away from the OP's experience, which sounds very frustrating. But if this is just one out of many trips over many years that went particularly sour, mabe it is better to take a big-picture view.
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Happened to me a few times... it really is unbelievable that this garbage is still going on. I find it a bit humorous, however, that some fans accept this level of mediocrity as the new norm.
Good luck with that.
Good luck with that.
#21
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Fortunately, I was watching closely and able to hop on resolutions quickly when things slipped off the rails. Didn't get original seats, but for the most part found equivalents.
Still, it was disturbing in practice to watch. I'm guessing that it has something to do with legacy UA agents needing to manipulate SHARES, but I will say I went through lots of irregular ops in the pmUA days and never recall having entire itineraries dropped / eliminated.
Too bad to hear that this may not be as isolated as I thought. Note for all of us though: as soon as the rebookings begin, probably worth hopping on .bomb to make sure that everything is intact.
#22
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A) UA got OP and wife to SFO - albeit delayed
B) OP and wife presumably enjoyed several days of planned activities in SFO during trip
C) UA royally screwed up OP's rebooking and caused major inconvenience on his return flight.
Did C affect A and B? No - ergo, the trip was not ruined (in my book). Did UA screw up: yes.
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last week even though it was well past midnight i chose to stick it out for another hour or so to get an agent to print out a physical BP. i was on the phone and was rebooked in minutes, but of course the reservation couldn't be cleaned up remotely (big surprise there) so i couldn't print it out as a kiosk. it paid off as a lot of people had flights canceled and seats switched so of course their BP's disappeared off their mobile app. it was pretty awful. their irrops recovery is terrible.
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Sure I would.
I'd be annoyed, frustrated and all sorts of pissed. But I'd also know that I was getting home, that I'd be able to deal with the fall-out later and that there is no way being rebooked back on to the same flight, albeit without the upgrade, would ruin a vacation for me. Maybe that's because I've flown enough on enough different airlines to know that things sometimes go wrong and the agents do what they can to put them back right when that happens. Comes from living in the real world and knowing that no one is perfect and that they are rarely malicious. Mistakes get made, they get resolved and life goes on.
Yes, because by and large they are. The range of actual difference between "most hated" and "least hated" airline is virtually nil.
UA screwed up. That's quite clear. And then they did what they could to fix the situation. Perfect? Absolutely not. But if this is what makes a customer never fly airline XYZ again then pretty soon they're going to be spending a lot of time in trains, cars and boats.
I'd be annoyed, frustrated and all sorts of pissed. But I'd also know that I was getting home, that I'd be able to deal with the fall-out later and that there is no way being rebooked back on to the same flight, albeit without the upgrade, would ruin a vacation for me. Maybe that's because I've flown enough on enough different airlines to know that things sometimes go wrong and the agents do what they can to put them back right when that happens. Comes from living in the real world and knowing that no one is perfect and that they are rarely malicious. Mistakes get made, they get resolved and life goes on.
UA screwed up. That's quite clear. And then they did what they could to fix the situation. Perfect? Absolutely not. But if this is what makes a customer never fly airline XYZ again then pretty soon they're going to be spending a lot of time in trains, cars and boats.
#26
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If you want to fly United, you really need to be familiar with their quirks of their system.
SHARES is extremely ruthless about cancelling flight if you no-show a segment. So when you get rebooked, if they leave anything you're not using in there, and there are segments below it in the record, those segments are in jeopardy.
I always audit my record after any change. I can't tell you how many times I've loaded up my record while walking away and have have had to call the 1K desk to clean it up to my satisfaction simply to avoid the situation you described.
As for getting you on the flight, they can do a lot more than they did for you. They can always force you into First and oversell it. I would have pushed for that as a remedy since you were confirmed in First already.
Then they can bump someone (or you) down and compensate them if everyone checks in, or they'll end up being okay if someone cancels.
SHARES is extremely ruthless about cancelling flight if you no-show a segment. So when you get rebooked, if they leave anything you're not using in there, and there are segments below it in the record, those segments are in jeopardy.
I always audit my record after any change. I can't tell you how many times I've loaded up my record while walking away and have have had to call the 1K desk to clean it up to my satisfaction simply to avoid the situation you described.
As for getting you on the flight, they can do a lot more than they did for you. They can always force you into First and oversell it. I would have pushed for that as a remedy since you were confirmed in First already.
Then they can bump someone (or you) down and compensate them if everyone checks in, or they'll end up being okay if someone cancels.
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#28
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No doubt the reservation got screwed up when the initial change was made. Good thing that never happens on other airlines. Ever.
So we can only fault UA for doing X if and only if no other airline has ever done X?
This isn't that complicated: UA used to take care of 1Ks, but now it doesn't.
It may very well be the case that any airline at some point is going to stick it to me like it got stuck to the OP, but in that case, what's the point of being a 1K?
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Yes, every carrier will cancel an itin if you skip flights (to help prevent hidden city ticketing, for one thing). However, on PMUA, either the systems were better at recognizing the pax had actually traveled albeit on different flights, or else waited to cancel the return trip for much longer.
This is a common and frustrating problem with UA's systems these days. Instead of fixing it, though, they're off clawing back miles they posted in error 13 months ago.