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Old Dec 5, 2012 | 12:30 pm
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Originally Posted by LilAbner
I agree with GoAmtrak because most of us come on FT to learn things, and two different planes with the same flight number causing a change of aircraft at connecting airports is b.s., especially when the ticket is sold as a direct flight.

What's the problem with a discussion of getting from point A to point B without needing to take a hike in between?
Because the OP's situation was "one plane, two flight numbers", not the topic you and GoAmtrak are trying to push across. Not sure how you could
agree with GoAmtrak if you actually read through this thread.

"Well, that's just it - it's not the same flight number. It's the same plane though, according to the info".

And we already have a "direct flight" thread.
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Old Dec 5, 2012 | 12:31 pm
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Originally Posted by aacharya
The logic is that a plane that lands eventually takes off again for somewhere. You just happen to align with the city pairs that the plane is planned for.

Makes sense to me.
And could very easily change before you take these flights. "Where is my plane coming from" changes a lot due to irrops, mx needs, etc.
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Old Dec 5, 2012 | 12:56 pm
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Originally Posted by GoAmtrak
It's a parallel topic. To get on my favorite hobby horse, I think USDOT should ban direct flight numbers unless it's the same plane on all legs and one is allowed to remain on the aircraft during any stop. This is well within DOT's purview to ensure clean marketing practices.
I think they should require that all people can make their "connections" should airlines choose to market this way.

I don't think that most people realize that they can book a "direct" flight and still misconnect to it.

Anyhow, such legislation would stop this practice quickly.


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Old Dec 5, 2012 | 2:09 pm
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Originally Posted by tods27
So, why not just increase the number of flight numbers? Maybe Shares can only handle 1500 flight numbers . Is there some sort of FAA registration they need for additional flight numbers?
I suspect the limitation is the GDSs only allow 4 digits for flight number, so there's only 9999 flight numbers available to use.

4k for OAL codeshares, nearly 4k for express, a few hundred for charters, a few hundred for mx and test flights, some reposiitoning, and you're down to the ~1650 used by mainline.
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Old Dec 5, 2012 | 2:46 pm
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I often have taken 1433, which some days starts in MGA-IAH-SFO. Change of gauge at IAH (from 73W to 738-9). I have had a hell of a time getting CO to split the flight into 2 segments, 1) for the mileage, 2) for upgrade reasons. It always costs me an additional $5.50 in taxes.
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Old Dec 5, 2012 | 2:52 pm
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OP -- I'm gonna guess you're under 30 years old, right?

Not to sound like an old-timer, but gosh, this used to be VERY commonplace on virtually all domestic carriers. Heck, I remember taking the ORD-PVD-PWM flight many a time and didn't think twice about it. Just sat on the plane with the other 60 or so pax while the PVD pax deplaned. It's just how it used to be.

Regional carriers, like Piedmont, could have flights with up to a dozen legs and stage lengths of just 15 minutes. Made for a wild day, but it was a whole lot more fun back then than it is now.
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Old Dec 5, 2012 | 3:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Steve M
If it's a different flight number, then you need to get off and reboard.
I flew UA201 from SFO to GUM via HNL in September. Same flight #, same metal. But we were required to get off the airplane will all carry-ons when landed at HNL.
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Old Dec 5, 2012 | 4:59 pm
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Originally Posted by Billiken
Same equipment = basically a "buttetproof connection"
Not true - plenty of times if a flight is delayed getting in to the airport enough and a spare is available, they'll send the spare off for an on-time arrival and strand connecting pax.
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Old Dec 5, 2012 | 6:04 pm
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A couple of months ago I was on UA 860 GIG-GRU-IAD, a one-stop direct flight with the same plane and same flight number. The last day or two of the trip leading up to boarding in GIG was a mess, so I felt lucky to make the flight -- not much opportunity to fine tune the arrangements. I flew in Y on a W fare, and during the 2+ plus hours between the segments at GRU, I verified there were available C seats. I tried to upgrade with a GPU but was told that there was no way the system would allow it because I was a "transit passenger," having joined the flight in GIG. The flight went out with 8 empty C seats.
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Old Dec 6, 2012 | 8:33 am
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Originally Posted by sbtinme
Regional carriers, like Piedmont, could have flights with up to a dozen legs and stage lengths of just 15 minutes. Made for a wild day, but it was a whole lot more fun back then than it is now.
So it was basically like a flying Greyhound, stopping in every city along the way?
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Old Dec 6, 2012 | 9:34 am
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Originally Posted by Jackstay
A couple of months ago I was on UA 860 GIG-GRU-IAD, a one-stop direct flight with the same plane and same flight number. The last day or two of the trip leading up to boarding in GIG was a mess, so I felt lucky to make the flight -- not much opportunity to fine tune the arrangements. I flew in Y on a W fare, and during the 2+ plus hours between the segments at GRU, I verified there were available C seats. I tried to upgrade with a GPU but was told that there was no way the system would allow it because I was a "transit passenger," having joined the flight in GIG. The flight went out with 8 empty C seats.
Oof. I wonder whether a really dedicated agent might have been able to alter your record to split up your flights (adding two UA860 segments instead of just one).
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Old Dec 6, 2012 | 11:50 am
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Originally Posted by mherdeg
Oof. I wonder whether a really dedicated agent might have been able to alter your record to split up your flights (adding two UA860 segments instead of just one).
Maybe this has to be done before the first leg of the trip started?

In my SFO/HNL/GUM on UA201 in September, the original booking showed as one segment (SFO/GUM) only. I called 1k desk. A nice agent helped to split it into 2. Upgrade for the first leg was successful but not for the 2nd so I ended sitting in F first then moved to Y later.
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