Flight Crew Unhappiness
Jul 27, 2012, 12:51 pm
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Flight Crew Unhappiness
I understand that the flight crews are not happy. But I am getting really tired of listening to all the crews regardless of whether they are pmUA or pmCO complain to each other and to the passengers. Or the pilots saying "This legacy Continental crew", etc.
Just being the galley or crew area does not mean I can't hear them.
If they want to vent to each other do it before we board the plane.
Just being the galley or crew area does not mean I can't hear them.
If they want to vent to each other do it before we board the plane.
Jul 27, 2012, 12:53 pm
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I understand that the flight crews are not happy. But I am getting really tired of listening to all the crews regardless of whether they are pmUA or pmCO complain to each other and to the passengers. Or the pilots saying "This legacy Continental crew", etc.
Just being the galley or crew area does not mean I can't hear them.
If they want to vent to each other do it before we board the plane.
Just being the galley or crew area does not mean I can't hear them.
If they want to vent to each other do it before we board the plane.
Jul 27, 2012, 1:22 pm
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I try to give the employees quite a bit of slack on this. Some of what they're going through is unprecedented, and their disappointment is understandable, especially given the contrasts between reality, communication coming from management, and expectations during the merger.
Jul 27, 2012, 1:28 pm
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yeah its so odd to hear them talking so bad about the company they work for and then coming by before we land personally thanking everyone for flying with United today and wishing us a nice time and hoping to see us again...
such odd behavior.
such odd behavior.
Jul 27, 2012, 1:30 pm
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I try to give the employees quite a bit of slack on this. Some of what they're going through is unprecedented, and their disappointment is understandable, especially given the contrasts between reality, communication coming from management, and expectations during the merger.
Why should we give them some slack?? This bellyaching has been going on for 5+ years. I don't want to listen to their schedule problems, union issues or contract complaints.
Jul 27, 2012, 1:31 pm
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Oh come on...the unemployment rate is XX so the employees should just be quiet is getting old. Most human beings end up with a time in their lives when they are frustrated by their job. It can get especially bad when you are beaten down when trying to do your best. I've worked for an airline and was several times written up for going out of my way to help a passenger. Believe me when the cost cutting culture takes over, things like this happen.
It is a natural human reaction to vent to somebody that can understand your situation. For me, my decision was to leave. For others, they may have hope that things will change. Better to vent a little then to go ballistic in flight.
It is a natural human reaction to vent to somebody that can understand your situation. For me, my decision was to leave. For others, they may have hope that things will change. Better to vent a little then to go ballistic in flight.
Jul 27, 2012, 1:32 pm
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I have a different view. I appreciate the opportunity to connect authentically with people and to speak about the truth. They are human. They are upset, and for good reason. In fact, they are to be commended for what they have endured for the last decade. I don't know many people who could put up with what they've had to tolerate. I welcome the opportunity to connect with them as real people and to hear how they really feel. This is reality, folks. Hiding it and walking down the aisle with a fake smile is not the outcome I'd ask for. If you want to see happy people, then let's have people who are really happy. And, if you want to know how to make that happen, sit down and have a chat with $mi$ek.
Jul 27, 2012, 2:03 pm
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I try to give the employees quite a bit of slack on this. Some of what they're going through is unprecedented, and their disappointment is understandable, especially given the contrasts between reality, communication coming from management, and expectations during the merger.
Jul 27, 2012, 2:10 pm
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Jul 27, 2012, 2:33 pm
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I understand that the flight crews are not happy. But I am getting really tired of listening to all the crews regardless of whether they are pmUA or pmCO complain to each other and to the passengers. Or the pilots saying "This legacy Continental crew", etc.
Just being the galley or crew area does not mean I can't hear them.
If they want to vent to each other do it before we board the plane.
Just being the galley or crew area does not mean I can't hear them.
If they want to vent to each other do it before we board the plane.
Jul 27, 2012, 2:40 pm
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I've talked to pilots many times over the last couple of weeks (hotels, before flights, etc.) and I cannot believe how upset they are. They all seem to despise Smisek, think he is blaming all of the cancellations on them when the cause (according to them) is is United scheduling too many flights without enough crews.
This looks like one of those labor battles where both sides will destroy each other and nobody will end up coming out ahead.
This looks like one of those labor battles where both sides will destroy each other and nobody will end up coming out ahead.
Jul 27, 2012, 2:52 pm
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I understand that the flight crews are not happy. But I am getting really tired of listening to all the crews regardless of whether they are pmUA or pmCO complain to each other and to the passengers. Or the pilots saying "This legacy Continental crew", etc.
Just being the galley or crew area does not mean I can't hear them.
If they want to vent to each other do it before we board the plane.
Just being the galley or crew area does not mean I can't hear them.
If they want to vent to each other do it before we board the plane.
Jul 27, 2012, 3:05 pm
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Like some here too, I always engage the flight crew and for that matter the GA's, TA's, etc. Heck, we are all in this together. I can help make their day more fun/better and they can help make mine.
The service they have to try and provide, and I'll admit I couldn't do it, is much different than many other service related businesses. It's longer in duration and in fairly close quarters. They have to be "on" for long periods of time unlike most other service/safety providers.
So it's all about perspective. I want to make sure I have fun whenever I'm on a plane, I get bored easily, and I want to make sure I take them with me. It's easy to do and doesn't take much effort. Empathy and humor is a scarce commodity when you are dealing with the public.
The service they have to try and provide, and I'll admit I couldn't do it, is much different than many other service related businesses. It's longer in duration and in fairly close quarters. They have to be "on" for long periods of time unlike most other service/safety providers.
So it's all about perspective. I want to make sure I have fun whenever I'm on a plane, I get bored easily, and I want to make sure I take them with me. It's easy to do and doesn't take much effort. Empathy and humor is a scarce commodity when you are dealing with the public.
Jul 27, 2012, 3:07 pm
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I try to give the employees quite a bit of slack on this. Some of what they're going through is unprecedented, and their disappointment is understandable, especially given the contrasts between reality, communication coming from management, and expectations during the merger.
Oh come on...the unemployment rate is XX so the employees should just be quiet is getting old. Most human beings end up with a time in their lives when they are frustrated by their job. It can get especially bad when you are beaten down when trying to do your best. I've worked for an airline and was several times written up for going out of my way to help a passenger. Believe me when the cost cutting culture takes over, things like this happen.
It is a natural human reaction to vent to somebody that can understand your situation. For me, my decision was to leave. For others, they may have hope that things will change. Better to vent a little then to go ballistic in flight.
It is a natural human reaction to vent to somebody that can understand your situation. For me, my decision was to leave. For others, they may have hope that things will change. Better to vent a little then to go ballistic in flight.
I have a different view. I appreciate the opportunity to connect authentically with people and to speak about the truth. They are human. They are upset, and for good reason. In fact, they are to be commended for what they have endured for the last decade. I don't know many people who could put up with what they've had to tolerate. I welcome the opportunity to connect with them as real people and to hear how they really feel. This is reality, folks. Hiding it and walking down the aisle with a fake smile is not the outcome I'd ask for. If you want to see happy people, then let's have people who are really happy. And, if you want to know how to make that happen, sit down and have a chat with $mi$ek.
Now, if frustration crosses over to taking it out on passengers, it's another matter. But simply sharing their frustrations with each other may not be the most professional to act, but it's very understandable and no big deal.
Jul 27, 2012, 3:21 pm
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I have a different view. I appreciate the opportunity to connect authentically with people and to speak about the truth. They are human. They are upset, and for good reason. In fact, they are to be commended for what they have endured for the last decade. I don't know many people who could put up with what they've had to tolerate. I welcome the opportunity to connect with them as real people and to hear how they really feel. This is reality, folks. Hiding it and walking down the aisle with a fake smile is not the outcome I'd ask for. If you want to see happy people, then let's have people who are really happy. And, if you want to know how to make that happen, sit down and have a chat with $mi$ek.