Crew Availability Problems Again?
Jul 11, 2012 | 3:17 pm
#1
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Crew Availability Problems Again?
Over the past three days, my colleagues have had 4 major delays on UA - all involving "awaiting crew" issues. One out of PDX (5 hrs), one from SFO (2 hrs), 1 from IAD (5 hours), and 1 from CLE (1 1/2 hrs). Is there some sort of employee action happening?
Jul 11, 2012 | 6:34 pm
#4
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Location: houston, tx,usa
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No employee action is happening.
ALPA has repeatedly said UA/CO is short pilots. Same thing happened last year to a lesser degree.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/business...ed-1626430.php
ALPA has repeatedly said UA/CO is short pilots. Same thing happened last year to a lesser degree.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/business...ed-1626430.php
Jul 11, 2012 | 10:06 pm
#6
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 272
)Any attempt to disrupt the operation would be a violation of the injunction that has been hanging over our heads the past couple years.
The pilots will not give mgt any chance to make the injunction permanent.
Though, it is generally assumed that they will eventually file in court to try and get a permanent injunction.
Even if their chance of prevailing is quite slim.
It's not like folks couldn't see this coming LONG ago.
Jul 11, 2012 | 10:20 pm
#7
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: FL 290 through FL390
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This happens every summer. New to flying?
FAB
Jul 11, 2012 | 10:26 pm
#8
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Location: What I write is my opinion alone..don't read into it anything not written.
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Happens to every US airline in the summer (peak season). Spare crews are finite. They don't hire more in the summer and fire them in the winter. Summer has more flights, more thunderstorms and people (including crews) like to schedule their vacation when their kids are out of school. Been working for UA for almost 2 decades now and this happens every summer. Airlines stretch the schedule during peak season, and compress it during off season. As such, there isn't a huge surplus of crews, and with summer disruptions, they burn through them.
I'm sure that a skilled FT searcher would be able to find this same thread every summer going back to the year FT started.
By the way, I've worked a lot of express flights the past few weeks. Guess what happens there during the summer? Same thing.
I'm sure that a skilled FT searcher would be able to find this same thread every summer going back to the year FT started.
By the way, I've worked a lot of express flights the past few weeks. Guess what happens there during the summer? Same thing.
Jul 12, 2012 | 9:13 am
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Jul 12, 2012 | 10:21 am
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Ok, just HAD to share this one.
An anecdote to enlighten folks on how this place is being managed.
Read this on our pilot forum.
One of our guys was on a hotel bus to the airport the other day.
He gets talking to another pilot, an A320 f/o.
The A320 guy said he received a 3am "wake up call" from the crew desk.
They had an assignment for him.
Of course, he Refused the Assignment, and went back to sleep.
Because ..... he Works at Frontier!!!
He took a voluntary furlough several years ago and went to work elsewhere.
He said this was the 2nd Time in 6 months that this had happened.
This is the "small stuff", nuts and bolts!
And folks are surprised with the airline's performance?
I also read that yesterday, the 11th, was a banner day for cancellations.
Glad I don't have to rely on the commercial airline system for my livelihood.
I don't think FAB intended to dog you.
Another "lost in translation".
His point is akin to the Weather Channel making a big deal about the Summer heat (or, same thing in Winter).
Happens EVERY year, but everyone seems to act surprised.
I guess, if they didn't, people wouldn't have anything to break those "uncomfortable silences" at the bar or dinner parties.
Same thing at the airline.
We KNOW the Summer and Winter will kick our arse in some respect.
Some years worse than others (see Summer 2000, though some folks refuse to believe it).
Despite the warnings/pleadings of seasoned airline employees, 20,30,40+ yrs,
mgt has shown a penchant for failing to prepare for the inevitable.
As if they intentionally disregard the warnings/suggestions from employees.
In effect, cutting off one's nose to spite the face.
And WE (pax and crew) suffer the consequences ... Year after year!
My 2 centavos.
ps - FAB, Not trying to put words in your mouth.
Just how I read your post. I didn't see it as malicious intent.
My apologies if I should step on toes.
An anecdote to enlighten folks on how this place is being managed.
Read this on our pilot forum.
One of our guys was on a hotel bus to the airport the other day.
He gets talking to another pilot, an A320 f/o.
The A320 guy said he received a 3am "wake up call" from the crew desk.
They had an assignment for him.
Of course, he Refused the Assignment, and went back to sleep.
Because ..... he Works at Frontier!!!
He took a voluntary furlough several years ago and went to work elsewhere.
He said this was the 2nd Time in 6 months that this had happened.
This is the "small stuff", nuts and bolts!
And folks are surprised with the airline's performance?
I also read that yesterday, the 11th, was a banner day for cancellations.
Glad I don't have to rely on the commercial airline system for my livelihood.
Another "lost in translation".
His point is akin to the Weather Channel making a big deal about the Summer heat (or, same thing in Winter).
Happens EVERY year, but everyone seems to act surprised.
I guess, if they didn't, people wouldn't have anything to break those "uncomfortable silences" at the bar or dinner parties.
Same thing at the airline.
We KNOW the Summer and Winter will kick our arse in some respect.
Some years worse than others (see Summer 2000, though some folks refuse to believe it).
Despite the warnings/pleadings of seasoned airline employees, 20,30,40+ yrs,
mgt has shown a penchant for failing to prepare for the inevitable.
As if they intentionally disregard the warnings/suggestions from employees.
In effect, cutting off one's nose to spite the face.
And WE (pax and crew) suffer the consequences ... Year after year!
My 2 centavos.
ps - FAB, Not trying to put words in your mouth.
Just how I read your post. I didn't see it as malicious intent.
My apologies if I should step on toes.
Last edited by iluv2fly; Jul 12, 2012 at 11:19 am Reason: merge
Jul 12, 2012 | 11:25 pm
#12
Join Date: Jan 2008
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Posts: 1,687
FAB
Ok, just HAD to share this one.
An anecdote to enlighten folks on how this place is being managed.
Read this on our pilot forum.
One of our guys was on a hotel bus to the airport the other day.
He gets talking to another pilot, an A320 f/o.
The A320 guy said he received a 3am "wake up call" from the crew desk.
They had an assignment for him.
Of course, he Refused the Assignment, and went back to sleep.
Because ..... he Works at Frontier!!!
He took a voluntary furlough several years ago and went to work elsewhere.
He said this was the 2nd Time in 6 months that this had happened.
This is the "small stuff", nuts and bolts!
And folks are surprised with the airline's performance?
I also read that yesterday, the 11th, was a banner day for cancellations.
Glad I don't have to rely on the commercial airline system for my livelihood.
I don't think FAB intended to dog you.
Another "lost in translation".
His point is akin to the Weather Channel making a big deal about the Summer heat (or, same thing in Winter).
Happens EVERY year, but everyone seems to act surprised.
I guess, if they didn't, people wouldn't have anything to break those "uncomfortable silences" at the bar or dinner parties.
Same thing at the airline.
We KNOW the Summer and Winter will kick our arse in some respect.
Some years worse than others (see Summer 2000, though some folks refuse to believe it).
Despite the warnings/pleadings of seasoned airline employees, 20,30,40+ yrs,
mgt has shown a penchant for failing to prepare for the inevitable.
As if they intentionally disregard the warnings/suggestions from employees.
In effect, cutting off one's nose to spite the face.
And WE (pax and crew) suffer the consequences ... Year after year!
My 2 centavos.
ps - FAB, Not trying to put words in your mouth.
Just how I read your post. I didn't see it as malicious intent.
My apologies if I should step on toes.
An anecdote to enlighten folks on how this place is being managed.
Read this on our pilot forum.
One of our guys was on a hotel bus to the airport the other day.
He gets talking to another pilot, an A320 f/o.
The A320 guy said he received a 3am "wake up call" from the crew desk.
They had an assignment for him.
Of course, he Refused the Assignment, and went back to sleep.
Because ..... he Works at Frontier!!!
He took a voluntary furlough several years ago and went to work elsewhere.
He said this was the 2nd Time in 6 months that this had happened.
This is the "small stuff", nuts and bolts!
And folks are surprised with the airline's performance?
I also read that yesterday, the 11th, was a banner day for cancellations.
Glad I don't have to rely on the commercial airline system for my livelihood.
Another "lost in translation".
His point is akin to the Weather Channel making a big deal about the Summer heat (or, same thing in Winter).
Happens EVERY year, but everyone seems to act surprised.
I guess, if they didn't, people wouldn't have anything to break those "uncomfortable silences" at the bar or dinner parties.
Same thing at the airline.
We KNOW the Summer and Winter will kick our arse in some respect.
Some years worse than others (see Summer 2000, though some folks refuse to believe it).
Despite the warnings/pleadings of seasoned airline employees, 20,30,40+ yrs,
mgt has shown a penchant for failing to prepare for the inevitable.
As if they intentionally disregard the warnings/suggestions from employees.
In effect, cutting off one's nose to spite the face.
And WE (pax and crew) suffer the consequences ... Year after year!
My 2 centavos.
ps - FAB, Not trying to put words in your mouth.
Just how I read your post. I didn't see it as malicious intent.
My apologies if I should step on toes.
FAB
Last edited by iluv2fly; Jul 13, 2012 at 7:26 am Reason: merge
Jul 12, 2012 | 11:38 pm
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Jul 12, 2012 | 11:48 pm
#15
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Colorado
Programs: United MM (formerly 1K), Marriott Lifetime Gold
Posts: 550
Ok, just HAD to share this one.
An anecdote to enlighten folks on how this place is being managed.
Read this on our pilot forum.
One of our guys was on a hotel bus to the airport the other day.
He gets talking to another pilot, an A320 f/o.
The A320 guy said he received a 3am "wake up call" from the crew desk.
They had an assignment for him.
Of course, he Refused the Assignment, and went back to sleep.
Because ..... he Works at Frontier!!!
He took a voluntary furlough several years ago and went to work elsewhere.
He said this was the 2nd Time in 6 months that this had happened.
This is the "small stuff", nuts and bolts!
And folks are surprised with the airline's performance?
I also read that yesterday, the 11th, was a banner day for cancellations.
Glad I don't have to rely on the commercial airline system for my livelihood.
I don't think FAB intended to dog you.
Another "lost in translation".
His point is akin to the Weather Channel making a big deal about the Summer heat (or, same thing in Winter).
Happens EVERY year, but everyone seems to act surprised.
I guess, if they didn't, people wouldn't have anything to break those "uncomfortable silences" at the bar or dinner parties.
Same thing at the airline.
We KNOW the Summer and Winter will kick our arse in some respect.
Some years worse than others (see Summer 2000, though some folks refuse to believe it).
Despite the warnings/pleadings of seasoned airline employees, 20,30,40+ yrs,
mgt has shown a penchant for failing to prepare for the inevitable.
As if they intentionally disregard the warnings/suggestions from employees.
In effect, cutting off one's nose to spite the face.
And WE (pax and crew) suffer the consequences ... Year after year!
My 2 centavos.
ps - FAB, Not trying to put words in your mouth.
Just how I read your post. I didn't see it as malicious intent.
My apologies if I should step on toes.
An anecdote to enlighten folks on how this place is being managed.
Read this on our pilot forum.
One of our guys was on a hotel bus to the airport the other day.
He gets talking to another pilot, an A320 f/o.
The A320 guy said he received a 3am "wake up call" from the crew desk.
They had an assignment for him.
Of course, he Refused the Assignment, and went back to sleep.
Because ..... he Works at Frontier!!!
He took a voluntary furlough several years ago and went to work elsewhere.
He said this was the 2nd Time in 6 months that this had happened.
This is the "small stuff", nuts and bolts!
And folks are surprised with the airline's performance?
I also read that yesterday, the 11th, was a banner day for cancellations.
Glad I don't have to rely on the commercial airline system for my livelihood.
I don't think FAB intended to dog you.
Another "lost in translation".
His point is akin to the Weather Channel making a big deal about the Summer heat (or, same thing in Winter).
Happens EVERY year, but everyone seems to act surprised.
I guess, if they didn't, people wouldn't have anything to break those "uncomfortable silences" at the bar or dinner parties.
Same thing at the airline.
We KNOW the Summer and Winter will kick our arse in some respect.
Some years worse than others (see Summer 2000, though some folks refuse to believe it).
Despite the warnings/pleadings of seasoned airline employees, 20,30,40+ yrs,
mgt has shown a penchant for failing to prepare for the inevitable.
As if they intentionally disregard the warnings/suggestions from employees.
In effect, cutting off one's nose to spite the face.
And WE (pax and crew) suffer the consequences ... Year after year!
My 2 centavos.
ps - FAB, Not trying to put words in your mouth.
Just how I read your post. I didn't see it as malicious intent.
My apologies if I should step on toes.