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trk1 Jun 7, 2012 8:28 pm

May operational performance
 
Looks like the flyer talk naysayers have missed the mark again


United had the best operational performance numbers of the DL/AA/US/SW
group for May

the only carrier to have traffic gains for the month and improved on time starts compared to 2011

lizinatizzy Jun 7, 2012 8:36 pm

Uh, no, sorry...

According to FlightStats.com, United had the lowest on-time rating of any legacy carrier. it trailed Delta by nearly nine points. And its May PRASM growth was lower than Delta and US Airways. (AA doesn't report monthly PRASM now).

So, you're, uh, wrong. And, apparently, clueless...

sbm12 Jun 7, 2012 8:37 pm

PRASM was flat, which isn't particularly good.

WineCountryUA Jun 7, 2012 8:41 pm


Originally Posted by trk1 (Post 18718709)
....United had the best operational performance numbers of the DL/AA/US/SW group for May ...

source?

chinatraderjmr Jun 7, 2012 8:42 pm

I don't know and have not speculated where UA stands in regards to other carriers but they obviously have a terrible performance record lately. You say it's an improvement over last year and other carriers. O.K. But going from horrible to terrible is nothing to be proud of. I'd also like to see where those numbers come from. If they are D.O.T. numbers then they DON'T include mechanicals and I dont think they include Int flights. If an airline has 100 flights a day, 99 of which are delayed due to mechanicals, according to the D.O.T. They have a 100% on time record.

I guess we can really believe what we see, not a napkin


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 18718746)
PRASM was flat, which isn't particularly good.

What is PRASM?? I've heard of it but don't have a clue

trk1 Jun 7, 2012 8:46 pm

stats
 
This week every carrier has reported operational results
(look at new releases from each carrier)
only United had had total traffic increases

Delta, AA, US and SW all had total Revenue traffic decreases

my comment was correct that on time performance also improved
so things have not been worse than last year and traffic is not shifting to other carriers as this forum alleges every day

bkkman69 Jun 7, 2012 8:48 pm

Passenger Revenue per Available Seat Mile

bob_the_d Jun 7, 2012 8:48 pm


Originally Posted by chinatraderjmr (Post 18718770)
What is PRASM?? I've heard of it but don't have a clue

probably something to do with money. it always is.

edit: oh haaaaay it is!

lizinatizzy Jun 7, 2012 8:50 pm

PRASM = Passenger Revenue per Available Seat Mile. it is the key indicator of airline revenue.

United being flat means that it is actually losing ground since costs are way up over last year given just the higher jet-fuel costs.

By comparison, Delta's PRASM was up 6 percent in May and the market hammered airline stocks when DL released the numbers on Monday. US Airways also had a 6 percent increase in PRASM in May.

FYI, UA has lagged everyone in PRASM growth since March. In other words, it's clearly that people are booking away, especially higher-revenue flyers. That's why there is no revenue growth.

Bitterroot Jun 7, 2012 8:52 pm


Originally Posted by chinatraderjmr (Post 18718770)
What is PRASM?? I've heard of it but don't have a clue

Passenger Revenue per Available Seat Mile

trk1 Jun 7, 2012 8:52 pm

Revenue generation
 
Revenue generation per seat mile comparisons depends on what each carrier
had in 2011. United had a higher base in 2011 so 1% gain still is a higher total rate. Check your data before making comments ( data from AirTransport World 2011 yearly data)

chinatraderjmr Jun 7, 2012 8:52 pm


Originally Posted by trk1 (Post 18718782)
This week every carrier has reported operational results
(look at new releases from each carrier)
only United had had total traffic increases

Delta, AA, US and SW all had total Revenue traffic increases

my comment was correct that on time performance also improved
so things have not been worse than last year and traffic is not shifting to other carriers as this forum alleges every day

Uhhhhh.....I have always been a sceptic when it comes to UA losing business to other airlines. I don't think a few angry 1K and GS moving to AA will even budge the numbers. Someone posted yesterday that UA has lost HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF ELITES. If we believe that nugget of information, not only has UA last every single Elite, but they owe some as well to AA :D


Originally Posted by Bitterroot (Post 18718815)
Passenger Revenue per Available Seat Mile

Ahhhh. So this takes the place of the old numbers so they can add things like charging fees

demkr Jun 7, 2012 8:52 pm

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Originally Posted by lizinatizzy
Uh, no, sorry...

According to FlightStats.com, United had the lowest on-time rating of any legacy carrier. it trailed Delta by nearly nine points. And its May PRASM growth was lower than Delta and US Airways. (AA doesn't report monthly PRASM now).

So, you're, uh, wrong. And, apparently, clueless...

Sad. From "first" to "worst"

trk1 Jun 7, 2012 8:58 pm

Growth
 
Growth is growth. The actual revenue per mile is what matters. Easier to improve from a lower base.

flyinbob Jun 7, 2012 9:00 pm

Trying to interpret numbers on an airline of 2 merged lines is difficult at best, convoluted at worst. You cannot look at these numbers and tell how many high revenue passengers have bailed, what new business is in, how routes compare to pre-merger. I doubt anyone at WHQ is dancing in their cubicle, but I wouldn't look for anyone jumping from their windows either. Much more time will be necessary to tell whether this merger will succeed or be a huge failure (still my bet).


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