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It could have been a coincidence but I had more mechanical delays and cancellations in the last few months then I've had in the last 5 years combined.
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Originally Posted by bldr1k
(Post 18718850)
It could have been a coincidence but I had more mechanical delays and cancellations in the last few months then I've had in the last 5 years combined.
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Originally Posted by UnitedSkies
(Post 18718897)
United Continental reaches tentative agreement with AFA United Airlines announced that the company has reached a tentative agreement with the Association of Flight Attendants, or AFA, covering flight attendants from the company's Continental subsidiary, almost three months ahead of the contract's amendable date. The agreement extends the current collective bargaining agreement for a term of 28 months beyond its September 1 amendable date. Flight attendants will vote on the agreement in the coming weeks. |
Originally Posted by trk1
(Post 18718782)
only United had had total traffic increases
Delta, AA, US and SW all had total Revenue traffic decreases my comment was correct that on time performance also improved so things have not been worse than last year and traffic is not shifting to other carriers as this forum alleges every day
Originally Posted by trk1
(Post 18718839)
Growth is growth. The actual revenue per mile is what matters. Easier to improve from a lower base.
Especially when your competition appears to be selling at increasing prices. |
Originally Posted by PHLGovFlyer
(Post 18720048)
Actually, in a business that has a perishable and finite product to sell "growth" of lower paying customers might not be a good thing @:-)
Especially when your competition appears to be selling at increasing prices. |
Originally Posted by PHLGovFlyer
(Post 18720048)
"Traffic" is not a terribly important metric. It's easy for an airline (any airline) to increase load factor by simply discounting tickets. It says almost nothing about revenue performance.
Actually, in a business that has a perishable and finite product to sell "growth" of lower paying customers might not be a good thing @:-) Especially when your competition appears to be selling at increasing prices. |
Originally Posted by chinatraderjmr
(Post 18718819)
Someone posted yesterday that UA has lost HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF ELITES. If we believe that nugget of information, not only has UA last every single Elite, but they owe some as well to AA :D
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Originally Posted by chinatraderjmr
(Post 18718819)
Uhhhhh.....I have always been a sceptic when it comes to UA losing business to other airlines. I don't think a few angry 1K and GS moving to AA will even budge the numbers. Someone posted yesterday that UA has lost HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF ELITES. If we believe that nugget of information, not only has UA last every single Elite, but they owe some as well to AA :D
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Originally Posted by Doug 1029
(Post 18720292)
I'm with trk1. I have seen thread after thread about the increase in UA prices not the other way around. Look on MR deals and you will see a much larger number of discounted fares on DL.
IMO the jury is still out on this issue. I think we'll need to see several quarters worth of financials from all of the major U.S. airlines before we can draw informed conclusions. Also the recent steep drop in oil prices is going to tend to distort the overall bottom line performance of all carriers. PRASM comparisons are going to be the thing that matters to these discussions on FT. |
My read of the MAY numbers....
Here is my read of the May over May numbers ...
PRASM +0.3% (Compare to Delta +6%) (Compare to US Air +6%) (Compare to LUV + 5to6%) Seat Miles +0.4% (Compare to Delta -0.9%) (US Air +0.5%) Load Factor -0.1% (Compare to Delta +0.2%) (US Air -1.1%) On board Passengers -0.5% (Compare to delta -0.6%) (US Air -0.9%) Nothing for UAL to be proud of.... |
It's not getting any better... data from the last 2 weeks -
On time departure rate per 1000 completed flights by operating carrier: Code:
carrier | on_time_departure Code:
carrier | on_time_arrival |
Originally Posted by FlyingNut724
(Post 18720649)
Here is my read of the May over May numbers ...
PRASM +0.3% (Compare to Delta +6%) (Compare to US Air +6%) (Compare to LUV + 5to6%) Seat Miles +0.4% (Compare to Delta -0.9%) (US Air +0.5%) Load Factor -0.1% (Compare to Delta +0.2%) (US Air -1.1%) On board Passengers -0.5% (Compare to delta -0.6%) (US Air -0.9%) Nothing for UAL to be proud of.... I might add one more figure, AA announced its PRASM was UP 7.3%. to give some context, while UA did not reveal its revenue for May, if one extrapolates from its Q1 figures, had they matched Delta/US's PRASM growth (which is a measure of the airlines ability to attract higher paying passangers, i.e. sell its seats for more money overall) it would have been another $151M in revenue for the month. To give further context, the "loss" of this revenue, multiplied by 3 months = their loss last quarter. Extrapolate this lag in revenue over a year and its 1.8B in revenue loss. Not only material, but the difference between a profit and a loss. And since costs are basically fixed, its all pure profit/loss. Also note that the AA status match (if it effects them) will not begin to impact revenue heavily until probably next month. And the trend vs. AA/US/DL is that the gap between UAs PRASM and the competition has widened, i.e. UA is falling further behind, this year. This is what one would expect if they are loosing high value traffic. Its all very, very bad for UA. :o |
american posts strong imprivement
American posts strong gains/united flat
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/american-airlines-parent-amr-sees-uptick-in-traffic-big-gain-in-key-revenue-measurement/2012/06/08/gJQA66H0NV_story.html |
Originally Posted by FlyingNut724
(Post 18720649)
Here is my read of the May over May numbers ...
PRASM +0.3% (Compare to Delta +6%) (Compare to US Air +6%) (Compare to LUV + 5to6%) Seat Miles +0.4% (Compare to Delta -0.9%) (US Air +0.5%) Load Factor -0.1% (Compare to Delta +0.2%) (US Air -1.1%) On board Passengers -0.5% (Compare to delta -0.6%) (US Air -0.9%) Nothing for UAL to be proud of.... |
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