Eastbay1K

Why, the 737-800 is missing that "antique" smell, especially in the lavs.

West Coast/Hawaii is generally shorter than most of the West Coast/Northeast flights.

What this is telling me is that maybe some of the cargo demand is possibly down. They'd probably fly a half-empty (upstairs) 777 if the bottom was full of perishables. A 737 up front is more comfortable than a UA 767 ghettobird (assuming you can snag an F seat in it). I've flown many AS 738s overwater, and it is perfectly ok. If you do a nice service in it, it is fine. If you treat us like you have been on all your other routes, it isn't so fine.

dcutcher

...just so long as UA continues to run 57s or even the occasional 67 to OGG, I can continue to look forward to flights there.
I haven't checked but I doubt the 800s are anything other than one-class cabin craft.

lensman

I'm not always this dense, but what are you saying?

I may not getting the point of the sarcasm but the 800s are normal mainline sCO aircraft with two class domestic cabins. The slight issue is that the DirectTV won't work overwater, which limits IFE to 4 channels of prerecorded movies and shows. Or by some miracle does DirectTV work over the pacific to Hawaii?

As someone else said, what's so much better about the 752 or 753 over the 738? I can see why folks like widebodies, though.

TA

So what is this thread about, even? Even if they didn't already fly 737-800 to Hawaii, what would be so news-worthy in a negative way if they started to?

Are people simply unfamiliar with what a 737-800 is?

TakeTheATrain

Bin space is more restrictive on the 737-800 in my experience.
No E+ until all CO aircrafts are retrofitted.
Fewer lavatories on board.

The 737-800, however does have in-seat power which is a nice benefit.

For my transcontinental flights like SFO-EWR, I still prefer a PMUA 757 if possible. There's nothing better than Row 8 in terms of leg room, and I find the PMUA seats to be more comfortable than the Koito seats on CO's 737s.

LIH Prem

how often do you fly either one on a 737?

And given a choice, how often would you fly either route on a 737?

-David

UA767400

I fly a 737 about twice a week. However I love the 757-300, but the 737s are ok (well the 700, 800, 900)(not the 500)

I like the 757-300 because it looks really cool and it is a very long narrow body aircraft, but I don't end up flying the 753 often.

sbm12

True, though the ghetto bird will no longer exist by EoY.

Of course it is, but that won't stop some from insisting that only a wide-body will do, regardless of the actual route requirements and economics.
And the IFE systems these days.
A great example of where actually checking and understanding what you're talking about would be useful. :-:
Maybe a tiny bit in F, but they should be nominally the same size otherwise.
That will be completed in a matter of weeks.

LIH Prem

Everything we've read from CO people is that the 757-300 is the worst aircraft in the PMCO fleet (besides the 737-500, which is apparently being retired, see Seth's post above).

There was some discussion that it would get to take over the "ghetto bird" monicker once the PMUA 767-300s are converted to the nicer BF configuration.

Which is it?

-David

UA-NYC

+1 - they call it the Amistad for a reason

LIH Prem

Also the 737 seats are thinner/harder and the ideal cruise speed is slightly slower than other aircraft. At least that's my understanding. (the cruise speed does make a difference on Hawaii flights, especially when flying to Hawaii, but it's slower in both directions.)

Seth says above that E+ will be complete in a matter of weeks, but when I look at seat maps for flights in May on 737-900s, they show only the former ELR seats as being reclassified as E+. Does that mean that it's just the reclassification of the few ELR seats that will be done in a matter of weeks or will the entire PMCO fleet that's being converted to E+ be done in a matter of a few weeks? That excludes the 737-500, since they are being retired and doesn't it also exclude the 757-300?

The other difference is the IFE, right? Worse on Hawaii flights if no DTV, right?

-David

rob_flies_ua

He was referring specifically and only to the 737-800, not the 737-900.

Row 7 (ABC) on the PMCO 752s is just as good as Row 8 (ABC) on the PMUA 752s, plus you get power outlets and AVOD (but no channel 9 yet).

UA767400

The 763 is much worse except will be better with the new updates, but the 753 is pretty good. It will be nicer with e+ and directtv

LIH Prem

The PMUA 763 is actually very good in E+, it's F that's terrible because it's 2-2-2, plus the overhead bins are terrible. The BF retrofit makes it 2-1-2 with a better seat. Not sure if they are doing anything about the overhead bins or not.

I didn't think the PMCO 753 was in the list to get E+ yet. Maybe I read that in the fleet update thread? But sure, if they add E+ and DTV, it will certainly be nicer than without it. I'm starting to think you just have a contrary opinion on the 753.

-David

formeraa

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with the 757-300, except that it's very long and takes a long time to board. Other than that, it's a 757 with one more lav and 4 more rows of seats. @:-)

Of course, I was a HUGE fan of the DC-8 Stretch back in the 80's!