Consolidated "United 757 TATL Fuel Stop" Thread [Merged]
Sep 28, 2012, 2:29 pm
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Before the merger, a 3 Cabin 777 was on this route. After the merger, UA's vast widbody fleet started to be transitioned to CO routes tha had dsperate need for said equipment due to their small fleet of 777s. There absolutely were major problems with the IAD/CDG, both from a corporate account and PR (WSJ expose) standpoint.
Sep 28, 2012, 2:32 pm
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It's shocking to me how small CO's planes are and how they use them. They've started pulling 777's and 747's away from SFO and replacing them with 767's (for example, SFO-LHR). I can't imagine flying so long on such a small aircraft. Takes all the joy out of it and makes impossible upgrades even more impossible. CO is the only airline not flying a 777 or 747 between SFO and LHR. I wonder if this is just a step to the CRJ. In a few years, they'll be flying CRJs everywhere (and outsourcing all the flying and maintenance) so a trip to Europe will take 70 hours and require 6 fuel stops and 2 overnights for crew rest. The race to the bottom is so much fun.
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Sep 28, 2012, 2:32 pm
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Sep 28, 2012, 2:39 pm
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Nope, just a semi-regular occurance as the weather gets colder for those PMCO 757s doing longer westbound TATLs.
Sep 28, 2012, 3:00 pm
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It's shocking to me how small CO's planes are and how they use them. They've started pulling 777's and 747's away from SFO and replacing them with 767's (for example, SFO-LHR). I can't imagine flying so long on such a small aircraft. Takes all the joy out of it and makes impossible upgrades even more impossible. CO is the only airline not flying a 777 or 747 between SFO and LHR. I wonder if this is just a step to the CRJ. In a few years, they'll be flying CRJs everywhere (and outsourcing all the flying and maintenance) so a trip to Europe will take 70 hours and require 6 fuel stops and 2 overnights for crew rest. The race to the bottom is so much fun.
- VS has recently operated A340s on the route.
- UA has only scheduled the 767 for a few weeks between 2x777 going to 1x747.
- In Aug 01 I flew a UA 767 from LHR to SFO as their seasonal fourth daily flight on the route. So the 767 is not new, but its current appearance is just another manifestation of "the incredible shrinking airline" - just as flying a 757 to CDG is much the same. I'd love to see a graph of UA's market share of some of these key routes - without any knowledge, I suspect it's slow but continual decline.
Sep 28, 2012, 3:17 pm
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Did the 777s that flew CDG-USA require the stop?
Sep 28, 2012, 3:20 pm
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I'm sure they didn't, since this was not related to storms / other bad weather at the destination (which would affect all aircraft equally) but you can easily check that for yourself. The range of the 777-200ER is quite a bit greater than that of the 757-200. That's nothing to do with a "weak" or "strong" plane though - not sure what you're getting at.
Sep 28, 2012, 3:23 pm
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Sep 28, 2012, 3:24 pm
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Sep 28, 2012, 3:31 pm
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Its the plane's range, not fuel. IAD-CDG-IAD is a completely inappropriate routing for that aircraft.
Its not a "planned" stop. They scheduled the route as a non-stop, and they sell it as such. Its only planned insomuch as CO and now UA cannot operate the flight safely at times because of the inappropriate equipment.
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Yep. This is supposed to be one of the first routes to get a 2 cabin 767-300ER, which will have no problem on the route. When that happens, we will see.
I don't quite see that. Having a 3 class 777 on IAH-HNL, for instance, is ridiculous.
You assume it was a 772ER on the route. Many of the IAD and even ORD-Europe routes were operated by 772A aircraft.
Sure sounded like a defense.
Before the merger, a 3 Cabin 777 was on this route. After the merger, UA's vast widbody fleet started to be transitioned to CO routes tha had dsperate need for said equipment due to their small fleet of 777s. There absolutely were major problems with the IAD/CDG, both from a corporate account and PR (WSJ expose) standpoint.
I'm sure they didn't, since this was not related to storms / other bad weather at the destination (which would affect all aircraft equally) but you can easily check that for yourself. The range of the 777-200ER is quite a bit greater than that of the 757-200. That's nothing to do with a "weak" or "strong" plane though - not sure what you're getting at.
Sure sounded like a defense.
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Sep 28, 2012, 4:09 pm
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There is a long, comprehensive thread where the use of the 752 on this route and others are discussed in great detail. This doesn't seem like the best place to re-hash all of the same old arguments. The OP's question has been answered.
Sep 28, 2012, 4:13 pm
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Complete nonsense..Overzealous fleet planners running under a mandate to maximize efficiencies no matter how high the risk profile is the actual reality. You seem to enjoy trafficking in the "oversimplified & shallow" brushstroke.OP should realize the above user has a vendetta against the widebody that was previously used on the CDG-IAD route.
Sep 28, 2012, 4:27 pm
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I flew this route often when it was a 767 and 777, and it was never empty. In fact, of all the European flights out of IAD at pmUA, it was one of the most difficult routes to find upgrade seats at purchase.