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murtuza Jun 24, 2012 3:37 pm


Originally Posted by FlyingDiver (Post 18813097)
Open jaws are ALWAYS at destination or origin/return. And you can actually have 2 open jaws and a stopover.

Your original itinerary had four distinct legs:

SFO-BOM, BOM-SIN, SIN-IAH, IAH-SFO

There's no way to do that with a RT award. One of those legs requires an additional ticket.

joe

My original itinerary looks like SFO-BOM (Destination), BOM-SIN(Stopover), SIN-IAH(Open Jaw), AUS-SFO (last leg). Does it not match with 1 destination + 1 stopover + 1 open jaw? Why I cannot book this as 1 itinerary?

FlyingDiver Jun 24, 2012 3:39 pm


Originally Posted by murtuza (Post 18813314)
My original itinerary looks like SFO-BOM (Destination), BOM-SIN(Stopover), SIN-IAH(Open Jaw), AUS-SFO (last leg). Does it not match with 1 destination + 1 stopover + 1 open jaw? Why I cannot book this as 1 itinerary?

Because the open jaw has to be at the destination or the origin. You have two stopovers, one of which is ALSO an open jaw.

Edit: OK, I'm not sure that the open jaw has to be at the origin or destination. Maybe it can be at the stopover. But the open jaws don't give you an extra stop. Three legs max. You have four.

joe

murtuza Jun 24, 2012 4:01 pm


Originally Posted by FlyingDiver (Post 18813327)
Because the open jaw has to be at the destination or the origin. You have two stopovers, one of which is ALSO an open jaw.

Edit: OK, I'm not sure that the open jaw has to be at the origin or destination. Maybe it can be at the stopover. But the open jaws don't give you an extra stop. Three legs max. You have four.

joe

Thanks for helpful comments. Where can I find the rule of "three legs max" on UA flights?

FlyingDiver Jun 24, 2012 4:11 pm


Originally Posted by murtuza (Post 18813412)
Thanks for helpful comments. Where can I find the rule of "three legs max" on UA flights?

Well, the rules are here: http://www.united.com/web/en-US/cont...vel/types.aspx

The relevant ones are:

Two open jaws are permitted per roundtrip award. For example, you can fly from Newark to London and return from Paris to Washington Dulles.

A stopover is permitted on roundtrip award travel only. One stopover is permitted, unless otherwise noted. Additional mileage may be required for Saver Awards within the mainland U.S., Alaska and Canada.


It doesn't specifically say three segments, but that follows from the two rules. You get two legs for a RT award. You can split one of those legs with a stopover. So you get three legs max. You don't get another stopover by calling it an open jaw.

joe

murtuza Jun 24, 2012 4:48 pm

Thanks. Appreciate the info^

sbm12 Jun 24, 2012 7:06 pm


Originally Posted by FlyingDiver (Post 18813327)
Edit: OK, I'm not sure that the open jaw has to be at the origin or destination. Maybe it can be at the stopover. But the open jaws don't give you an extra stop. Three legs max. You have four.

It doesn't have to be at the origin or destination but the issue of too many stops in the itinerary proposed still remains.

gellison47 Jun 25, 2012 1:09 am

United Award ticket-stopover in Asia
 
Hello Flyertalk community.

I'm a complete newbie at booking award tickets, but just from doing a bit of research, I'm pretty sure it's possible to book an award ticket from the US to Asia with a stopover in Europe. I know United allows 1 stopover and 1 open jaw, but I'm not sure about all the restrictions they put on it.

My plan is: NYC-FRA-BKK-DEN

From what I understand, booking a saver coach class ticket on this route would cost me 65,000 miles. Can anyone verify this?

USFdonWill Jun 25, 2012 1:37 am

Welcome to FT, gellison47

I am not an expert on award travel routing rules...but I was able to do a dummy booking that yielded NYC-FRA(stop)-BKK(destination)-DEN for 65k miles plus fees for a saver economy ticket.

dsquared37 Jun 25, 2012 4:00 am


Originally Posted by murtuza (Post 18813314)
My original itinerary looks like SFO-BOM (Destination), BOM-SIN(Stopover), SIN-IAH(Open Jaw), AUS-SFO (last leg). Does it not match with 1 destination + 1 stopover + 1 open jaw? Why I cannot book this as 1 itinerary?

If you travel via Europe you can work it slightly different:

SFO-(FRA/MUC etc)- BOM (stopover) - SIN (desitnation) -(FRA/MUC etc) - IAH//AUS-SFO.

In this way you won't be backtracking on that last leg which might make it acceptable. My bet is still on the need to purchase a separate ticket AUS-SFO, btu it's worth a try.

You also might save some miles if traveling in Y with SIN as your destination rather than BOM.

sbm12 Jun 25, 2012 6:33 am


Originally Posted by dsquared37 (Post 18815509)
If you travel via Europe you can work it slightly different:

SFO-(FRA/MUC etc)- BOM (stopover) - SIN (desitnation) -(FRA/MUC etc) - IAH//AUS-SFO.

In this way you won't be backtracking on that last leg which might make it acceptable. My bet is still on the need to purchase a separate ticket AUS-SFO, btu it's worth a try.

There is nothing wrong with passing through the point of origin as part of the return AFAIK. The issue is that you still have too many stops in the itinerary (BOM, SIN and IAH/AUS).

gellison47 Jun 25, 2012 6:46 am


Originally Posted by USFdonWill (Post 18815260)
Welcome to FT, gellison47

I am not an expert on award travel routing rules...but I was able to do a dummy booking that yielded NYC-FRA(stop)-BKK(destination)-DEN for 65k miles plus fees for a saver economy ticket.


I was able to do the same thing on the United website but I wasn't sure if this was a fluke or not. It just seems like this routing is too good to be true to only cost 65,000 miles. Almost like they are giving away a free trip to Europe...

dsquared37 Jun 25, 2012 6:55 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 18815940)
There is nothing wrong with passing through the point of origin as part of the return AFAIK. The issue is that you still have too many stops in the itinerary (BOM, SIN and IAH/AUS).


I agree that this is unlikely to ticket due to the IAH/AUS plan. The one benefit of routing through Europe with SIN as the destination is awards in Y are cheaper to SIN than to BOM. IIRC awards in C/F are the same cost from N America.

sbm12 Jun 25, 2012 6:56 am


Originally Posted by gellison47 (Post 18815997)
I was able to do the same thing on the United website but I wasn't sure if this was a fluke or not. It just seems like this routing is too good to be true to only cost 65,000 miles. Almost like they are giving away a free trip to Europe...

Almost. :D


You also can probably fly in to FRA and then get yourself to somewhere else in Europe and fly from there to BKK if you want to before returning to DEN. You're actually allowed two open-jaws, not one.

gellison47 Jun 25, 2012 7:46 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 18816030)
Almost. :D


You also can probably fly in to FRA and then get yourself to somewhere else in Europe and fly from there to BKK if you want to before returning to DEN. You're actually allowed two open-jaws, not one.

I thought this was the case as well, but for some reason when I try to book NYC-AMS and then FRA-BKK-DEN it gives me an error message. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.

sbm12 Jun 25, 2012 7:59 am


Originally Posted by gellison47 (Post 18816266)
I thought this was the case as well, but for some reason when I try to book NYC-AMS and then FRA-BKK-DEN it gives me an error message. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.

The website might choke on it but you should be able to book it on the phone.


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