Green list question
May 24, 2021, 1:35 pm
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Green list question
You must only have been in or travelled through a green list country or the UK, Ireland, the Channel Islands or the Isle of Man in the previous 10 days.
The wording is interesting. I know I could go to Portugal for 10 days and then enter the UK under green list rules. (This is assuming Portugal will let US residents in.)
But based on the above, couldn't I just fly JFK-LIS and then ticket LIS-LON separately and fly onward immediately? I will have "been in" and "traveled through" a green list country. Not trying to be cute, just trying to figure out correct interpretation of the rule. Ideally, I'd love to go to Lisbon or Porto for a couple days and move on.
The wording is interesting. I know I could go to Portugal for 10 days and then enter the UK under green list rules. (This is assuming Portugal will let US residents in.)
But based on the above, couldn't I just fly JFK-LIS and then ticket LIS-LON separately and fly onward immediately? I will have "been in" and "traveled through" a green list country. Not trying to be cute, just trying to figure out correct interpretation of the rule. Ideally, I'd love to go to Lisbon or Porto for a couple days and move on.
May 24, 2021, 1:56 pm
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No, the rules are based on everywhere you have been in the preceding 10 days so that wouldn’t work. You would have to declare where you have been in the passenger locator form and you would be treated as an amber arrival in the UK. The only way to avoid this is to spend 10 days in a green country before arrival as you noted.
May 25, 2021, 11:50 am
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You must only have been in or travelled through a green list country or the UK, Ireland, the Channel Islands or the Isle of Man in the previous 10 days.
The wording is interesting. I know I could go to Portugal for 10 days and then enter the UK under green list rules. (This is assuming Portugal will let US residents in.)
But based on the above, couldn't I just fly JFK-LIS and then ticket LIS-LON separately and fly onward immediately? I will have "been in" and "traveled through" a green list country. Not trying to be cute, just trying to figure out correct interpretation of the rule. Ideally, I'd love to go to Lisbon or Porto for a couple days and move on.
The wording is interesting. I know I could go to Portugal for 10 days and then enter the UK under green list rules. (This is assuming Portugal will let US residents in.)
But based on the above, couldn't I just fly JFK-LIS and then ticket LIS-LON separately and fly onward immediately? I will have "been in" and "traveled through" a green list country. Not trying to be cute, just trying to figure out correct interpretation of the rule. Ideally, I'd love to go to Lisbon or Porto for a couple days and move on.
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May 25, 2021, 3:00 pm
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I'm so sick of all this! In my case, I have Iceland, Germany, Italy, France, UK in my June itin and anticipated that Europe would be open when I booked. I'm waiting maybe a day or more and then cancelling everything. Seems that some are at the cusp of announcing tourism open dates but all it takes is one hitch to derail. Sucks. I hate this type of gambling.,
May 25, 2021, 3:54 pm
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I'm so sick of all this! In my case, I have Iceland, Germany, Italy, France, UK in my June itin and anticipated that Europe would be open when I booked. I'm waiting maybe a day or more and then cancelling everything. Seems that some are at the cusp of announcing tourism open dates but all it takes is one hitch to derail. Sucks. I hate this type of gambling.,
Or if UK adds more green list countries, just go there and chill out for 10 days before entering the UK.
May 26, 2021, 4:49 am
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I'm so sick of all this! In my case, I have Iceland, Germany, Italy, France, UK in my June itin and anticipated that Europe would be open when I booked. I'm waiting maybe a day or more and then cancelling everything. Seems that some are at the cusp of announcing tourism open dates but all it takes is one hitch to derail. Sucks. I hate this type of gambling.,
I'm dealing with it by simply not booking any foreign trips for 2020: they're just not worth the uncertainty, frustration and hassle. I had a wonderful time in Edinburgh last week (almost no tourists, rock-bottom hotel rates and no trouble getting restaurant bookings) and am looking forward to a trip to north Wales next week.
May 26, 2021, 7:01 am
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No, the rules are based on everywhere you have been in the preceding 10 days so that wouldn’t work. You would have to declare where you have been in the passenger locator form and you would be treated as an amber arrival in the UK. The only way to avoid this is to spend 10 days in a green country before arrival as you noted.
So if I arrive in the UK tomorrow evening from an amber country, then leave the UK almost immediately to a green list country, am I out of the woods the following Sunday evening (ten days later) or Monday (10 full days passing in between with part days not counting)?
May 26, 2021, 7:03 am
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In terms of defining the 10 days before arrival - is that 10 x 24 hour periods, or 10 days starting from the midnight after you arrive?
So if I arrive in the UK tomorrow evening from an amber country, then leave the UK almost immediately to a green list country, am I out of the woods the following Sunday evening (ten days later) or Monday (10 full days passing in between with part days not counting)?
So if I arrive in the UK tomorrow evening from an amber country, then leave the UK almost immediately to a green list country, am I out of the woods the following Sunday evening (ten days later) or Monday (10 full days passing in between with part days not counting)?
I think to be safe, spend 10 full days in a green list country before returning to the UK
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May 26, 2021, 7:08 am
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Thanks. I had thought it might be the case. Wondering if anyone had legal clarification, as it would be much more convenient to come back on the 10th day (rather than the 11th day after 10 full days).
May 26, 2021, 7:50 am
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9.—(1) This regulation applies where a person (“P”)—
(a)arrives in England from—
(i)a category 2 country or territory,
(ii)within the common travel area or from a category 1 country or territory, and has at any time in the period beginning with the 10th day before the date of their arrival in England, departed from or transited through a category 2 country or territory,
(a)arrives in England from—
(i)a category 2 country or territory,
(ii)within the common travel area or from a category 1 country or territory, and has at any time in the period beginning with the 10th day before the date of their arrival in England, departed from or transited through a category 2 country or territory,
May 26, 2021, 11:38 am
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May 28, 2021, 8:39 am
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