Feb 25, 2019, 5:11 am
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THE UK HELD A GENERAL ELECTION ON 12th DECEMBER 2019 WHICH RESULTED IN THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY SECURING A WORKABLE MAJORITY, MEANING THE UK WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY LEAVE THE EU ON 31st JANUARY 2020.
WE WILL UPDATE THIS ADVICE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WHEN PARLIAMENTARY TIMETABLES ARE CONFIRMED.
Advice current at: 11 April 2019
Preamble:
This is intended to be a purely factual guide to the travel implications of Brexit. It is an issue with strongly held views, we have used our best endeavours to stick to a non judgemental FAQ for the likely impact of Brexit on travel. In many areas it is not yet sure what the outcome will be, and for these issues we have said just that, rather than going into all the potential scenarios.
Timetable
Brexit: when is it going to happen?
It was originally scheduled for 23:00 hrs UK time on Friday 29 March, however the House of Commons is expected to approve the EU's offer to extend the date until potentially 31 October 2019. However a range of options could now happen, but until 1 June the UK remains a full member of the EU. It remains the UK government's intention for the UK – including Gibraltar, Channel Islands, Isle of Man and the Sovereign Bases on Cyprus, to leave the European Union at some point. At this point there is still a lot of uncertainty on timings and outcomes.
What is the current state of play?
To cut an extremely long story short, the UK Parliament has so far been unable to reach agreement on the terms of the UK’s departure. A deal has been agreed between the UK and EU on future relations – notably including a transition period of at least 2 years when very little will change – however so far the UK government has been unsuccessful in getting any deal through Parliament.
When is Brexit day?
When we refer to Brexit Day, we mean the date of the UK's departure from the European Union, which is currently unknown. Realistically it cannot be before 1 June 2019, it could be 31 October, it could be later than that. The government is targeting 22 May 2019 for getting a deal through the Parliament in Westminster, to allow the 1 June date to become Brexit day, however there is considerable uncertainty at the moment.
When will we know more out how Brexit will happen?
Parliament will be in its Easter Recess until 22 April so we are unlikely to hear anything more until then. Thereafter the government and parliament will need to agree a way forward to resolve Brexit.
Will anything happen to travel before Brexit Day?
No, the UK remains a full member of the EU to at least that date, subject to Parliament approving the EU's offer as anticipated.
What happens to travel on Brexit Day itself, and in the days after?
There remains some uncertainty as the detailed questions below indicate. If a deal is reached similar to the one already drafted, then it would appear almost nothing will change on Brexit day, existing processes and procedures will continue for a transition period of at least 2 years. It now seems likely that the UK will only leave the European Union with a deal, so the 2 year transition after Brexit Day seems inevitable, though strictly speaking No Deal, and therefore no transition is theoretically possible.
Air Travel
Will my flight to the EU after Brexit Day still operate?
Not certain, but probably yes. Check this thread later for updates. The EU has offered a 9 to 12 month continuation – with certain conditions and provisos – even if there is no deal but there are a large number of unknown factors.
What about flights to the USA which are currently covered by an EU/USA agreement?
In November 2018 it was announced that a new ‘open skies’ air services arrangement had been agreed with the United States. This will replace the current EU agreement. So these flights will continue regardless of Brexit.
Will UK airlines still have to meet EU associated legislation such as EC261 and GDPR after Brexit?
Yes. Both of those projects are already incorporated under UK legislation and will continue to operate as now. Longer term there could be divergences on some details.
Will airlines have to change their way of working after Brexit?
Not certain. It’s a complex area, involving ownership rules, but check back here later for updates on this one. Several initiatives are currently being resolved here.
What about airline failures such as flybmi – is there a risk that other airlines will go to the wall?
Yes. The larger European legacy airlines (BA, Virgin, IB, AF, KLM, Lufthansa etc) have good resources so it would seem unlikely in the short term. But it is known that a number of other airlines are watching their cashflow, most notably Norwegian, though Brexit is by no means the only factor involved here.
Train (Eurostar)
Where will passport checks happen on the Eurostar?
There will be no change on locations, all parties have agreed to continue existing arrangements. At London St. Pancras, French immigration - on behalf of all Schengen countries - checks passports for entry into mainland Europe. For EU/EEA passport holders this is usually done by e-gates. For other nationalities (with some exceptions) you go to the desk of an officer of DCPAF (the French equivalent of the UK Border Force). The UK Border Force may also do a passport check at St Pancras but often don't. At Paris Gare du Nord when returning to the UK there are again e-gates and DCPAF officers for leaving Schengen; then there is always a UK Border Force check after that, also using e-gates for EU27, EEA and some other nationalities. At Bruxelles Midi/Zuid it's quite similar, however note that you can't proceed through passport control until your train is the next service to depart, so don't arrive too early. On arrival into London or Paris (etc) there are no further checks, though there could theoretically be spot ID checks at either end.
Will there be disruption on Eurostar immediately after Brexit?
Not certain, please check back here later. The potential difficulty relates to the use of e-gates and data sharing agreements.
Ferries
Will my ferry between UK and mainland Europe operate?
Almost certainly yes. Many of the operational treaties date back before the UK joined the EU. There may be some issues at the start to do with relatively minor aspects of operations such as data exchange.
Will there be disruption, cancellations or delays immediately after Brexit Day?
Not certain. Check back here later for clarity on that one.
Movement between countries
Will I be able to travel between Northern Ireland and the Republic after Brexit Day?
Almost certainly yes, since that is protected by the Multi Party and British Irish Agreements, generally known as the Good Friday Agreement. But a lot of specific details remains uncertain.
I am a UK passport holder, will I need a visa for Europe?
Almost certainly not. While this was a potential scenario at one point, it is now difficult to see how that would happen.
To enter Schengen as a non-EU/Schengen citizen, your passport needs to be valid for an extra 90 or 180 days. Will this apply to British citizens after Brexit?
Not certain, but if a visa is not necessary then usually it means a UK passport will need at least 180 days' validity on arrival. However this is now an unlikely requirement.
Britain probably has a similar rule for non-EU citizens. Will this be extended to EU citizens after Brexit?
No. The UK government is not making this requirement, however a very short validity period on a passport may raise questions with Border Force officers.
Non-EU citizens have to fill in a landing card upon arrival to the UK. Will EU citizens have to do this after Brexit?
No, EU27 and EEA citizens will not be required to fill in Landing Cards, which are due to be abolished for all travellers in the future.
How long can I stay for in the EU27/EEA as a UK passport holder?
In Ireland there are no restrictions. In Schengen this remains unclear at this stage.
What about travel to Switzerland, Norway and Iceland?
These countries are not in the EU but are in Schengen, so any changes that come about for the EU on Brexit Day can be read over to these 3 countries.
I am a UK passport holder, what passport queues will I need on the mainland? The one for European citizens?
If there is a No Deal outcome, which is now unlikely, then UK citizens would be using the "non EU citizens" line, but check back here for updates. At many Schengen airports UK and Irish citizens constitute the bulk of processed passengers.
Won’t UK citizens need to apply for an Electronic Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS) to visit the EU?
Not for the time being, and in any case the EU’s proposed system won’t be rolled out until at least 2021.
I am EU27 / EEA citizen, will I need a visa for the UK?
No, not for short duration tourism and business visits, the UK government has committed not to introduce restrictions.
I am an EU27 citizen – will my passport work in the e-gates after Brexit?
Not certain since it relates to data sharing agreements, but it is likely that you can continue to use e-gates. Check back here later.
What about European ID cards? Can these be used to enter the UK?
Almost certainly yes. The UK government has not indicated any change in this area, however again there could be issues on data sharing.
I'm a USA (Canadian/Australian etc) citizen - what will change for me on Brexit Day?
Very little from what we know. The existing rules for Schengen on the Mainland, for the UK and Ireland will remain in place for non European visitors. The possible exception will be nationals with UK ties outside Europe such as from Bermuda, where there is considerable lack of clarity at the moment.
Money & Health
Will credit and debit cards still work after Brexit?
Yes. There may be changes to exchange rates around this period, however, and there may be delays in processing times.
What about EHIC cards?
Not certain. EHIC cards provide health insurance protection within the EU and EEA. Non EU reciprocal arrangements (e.g. between UK and Australia) will continue. It will be worth reviewing your travel insurance nearer to Brexit day, to ensure you have proper cover. EHIC is not comprehensive insurance in any case.
Car Hire
What about car hire and driving licences?
Not certain. Check back later on this one, driving regulations for Ireland are also unknown at this stage. It may be sensible to apply for an International Driving Permit from your Post Office if a UK licence holder. Spain, Ireland, Malta and Cyprus have a different IDP (IDP1949) to the rest of the EU, Norway and Switzerland (IDP1968). There is a third IDP (IDP1926) but that's not needed in the EU. You may also need your insurer to provide a Green Card to prove your insurance cover, if driving a non-hire vehicle.
Other issues
Will I get a duty free allowance after Brexit Day between UK and Europe?
Not certain, but it seems unlikely.
Will my mobile/cellular telephone face different roaming charges after Brexit?
Not resolved at the moment, but almost certainly the website of your telephone provider will make this clear as we get nearer to Brexit day.
Brexit and Travel
Dec 28, 2020, 8:18 am
#106
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What you just wrote here is manifestly untrue. I have spent the best part of my working life working in an EU Member State other than my own Member State and I have not once had to apply for anything remotely resembling a work permit. It simply is NOT the case that a work permit is required to work in another EU Member State. It is by no means impossible that some administrations in some Member States (and let us not point the finger at anywhere in particular here) have some practices that are dubious from an EU Law perspective but it simply is not the case that having a work permit is a legal requirement to work in another EU Member State.
Dec 28, 2020, 8:22 am
#107
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Can you please stop assuming that the over-simplifications by which you attempt to make sense and rationalise your own personal experience are universally valid objective truths?
What you just wrote here is manifestly untrue. I have spent the best part of my working life working in an EU Member State other than my own Member State and I have not once had to apply for anything remotely resembling a work permit. It simply is NOT the case that a work permit is required to work in another EU Member State. It is by no means impossible that some administrations in some Member States (and let us not point the finger at anywhere in particular here) have some practices that are dubious from an EU Law perspective but it simply is not the case that having a work permit is a legal requirement to work in another EU Member State.
What you just wrote here is manifestly untrue. I have spent the best part of my working life working in an EU Member State other than my own Member State and I have not once had to apply for anything remotely resembling a work permit. It simply is NOT the case that a work permit is required to work in another EU Member State. It is by no means impossible that some administrations in some Member States (and let us not point the finger at anywhere in particular here) have some practices that are dubious from an EU Law perspective but it simply is not the case that having a work permit is a legal requirement to work in another EU Member State.
in the UK it’s called a NINO (national insurance number), which permits you to work in the country for me that’s called a work permit.
i think basics we are speaking the same thing, just that what you call a work permit and what I call a work permit are different things.
fundamentally what changes with brexit is the automatic right of a UK national to a ‘work permit’ in another country (EU) has been withdrawn and the process of how this will be managed is not clear yet as far as I am concerned.
Dec 28, 2020, 8:43 am
#108
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well I have. Whether you call it a work permit, a residence permit, a national insurance document or whatever you want, the fact is you need a document to work in another EU country as an EU citizen. For me it was called a resident permit, a TaX number and a social security number which was a prerequisite for me to work in another EU country when the UK was a member of the EU.
in the UK it’s called a NINO (national insurance number), which permits you to work in the country for me that’s called a work permit.
i think basics we are speaking the same thing, just that what you call a work permit and what I call a work permit are different things.
fundamentally what changes with brexit is the automatic right of a UK national to a ‘work permit’ in another country (EU) has been withdrawn and the process of how this will be managed is not clear yet as far as I am concerned.
in the UK it’s called a NINO (national insurance number), which permits you to work in the country for me that’s called a work permit.
i think basics we are speaking the same thing, just that what you call a work permit and what I call a work permit are different things.
fundamentally what changes with brexit is the automatic right of a UK national to a ‘work permit’ in another country (EU) has been withdrawn and the process of how this will be managed is not clear yet as far as I am concerned.
Dec 28, 2020, 8:47 am
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As a third country national in the EU/EEA/Schengen areas for a bit of time, I have to say that your idea of a "work permit" is very different than my idea of a work permit. When I speak about needing a work permit in this context, it's about needing to get a permit to move for work, a permit of the sort that is not required (i.e., required by the national governmental authorities) of host country's citizens doing the same work.
Anyway so far so good with Brexit, a lot of the fear mongering has disappeared with the deal.
1. There will be no tariffs on trade.
2. UK telcos will not impose roaming in EU for now
3. You do not need an International Drivers Permit to drive.
4. Visa free travel for the time being up to 90 days at a time.
5. EHIC cards still valid after 1.1.2021.
Dec 28, 2020, 8:54 am
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well I have. Whether you call it a work permit, a residence permit, a national insurance document or whatever you want, the fact is you need a document to work in another EU country as an EU citizen. For me it was called a resident permit, a TaX number and a social security number which was a prerequisite for me to work in another EU country when the UK was a member of the EU.
in the UK it’s called a NINO (national insurance number), which permits you to work in the country for me that’s called a work permit.
i think basics we are speaking the same thing, just that what you call a work permit and what I call a work permit are different things.
fundamentally what changes with brexit is the automatic right of a UK national to a ‘work permit’ in another country (EU) has been withdrawn and the process of how this will be managed is not clear yet as far as I am concerned.
in the UK it’s called a NINO (national insurance number), which permits you to work in the country for me that’s called a work permit.
i think basics we are speaking the same thing, just that what you call a work permit and what I call a work permit are different things.
fundamentally what changes with brexit is the automatic right of a UK national to a ‘work permit’ in another country (EU) has been withdrawn and the process of how this will be managed is not clear yet as far as I am concerned.
In my entire career, I have worked in other member states than the member state of which I am a citizen. I have never applied for a work permit. Never in all 3 countries I worked in.
I have applied for social security numbers, NINO in the UK or steuernummer in Germany, like any other citizen of those countries. They are not work permit, they are part of the process needed for anybody to work.
A work permit has a meaning, what you are talking about is not a work permit. Words have meaning and usually, very clear definitions.
Dec 28, 2020, 10:54 am
#111
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well I have. Whether you call it a work permit, a residence permit, a national insurance document or whatever you want, the fact is you need a document to work in another EU country as an EU citizen. For me it was called a resident permit, a TaX number and a social security number which was a prerequisite for me to work in another EU country when the UK was a member of the EU.
in the UK it’s called a NINO (national insurance number), which permits you to work in the country for me that’s called a work permit.
in the UK it’s called a NINO (national insurance number), which permits you to work in the country for me that’s called a work permit.
Residence permits are not the same thing as work permits. It is indeed the case that Member States can, if they so wish, request nationals of other EU Member States to apply for a residence permit when they become resident in the host state. But this is totally unrelated to work and certainly cannot be made a pre-condition to the right to work. Similarly, things like tax numbers or social security numbers, unlike work permits, are not constitutive of the right to work either. They are a practical necessity so that tax and NI contributions can be calculated and allocated but that does not make the equivalent of a work permit.
A NINO in the UK is not a pre-condition to the right to work. It is perfectly legal to work in the UK even if you do not already have a NI number. What happens in these situations is that you are issued with an emergency NI number so that your tax and social security contributions can be provisionally computed until you are eventually given a proper NI number.
Dec 28, 2020, 12:38 pm
#112
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The actual Brexit agreement immigration rules don’t provide for someone to work remotely as the documents in the Tweet below show. Immigration officials enforce the rules, not on the basis of any notional benefit to the economy.
https://twitter.com/samuelmarclowe/s...611626496?s=21
this is all very new and emergent, but honestly getting proper legal advice is the right step. We’ve moved into a more complex world now 😕
https://twitter.com/samuelmarclowe/s...611626496?s=21
this is all very new and emergent, but honestly getting proper legal advice is the right step. We’ve moved into a more complex world now 😕
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-details-visas
The good news is that the total of four weeks I spent in Paris, last year (effectively a consultancy role) would be fine under the new regime.
Elsewhere I’ve been reading about the new Custons regime. Trade might be tariff and quota free, but what I can personally bring into the UK, from Europe, will now be subjected to duty.
Dec 28, 2020, 12:51 pm
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Does anyone know when the 90 day clock starts ticking? E.g. if I'm already in an EU country as a tourist now, and I stay in the country over New Year, do I get a fresh 90 days immediately on January 1st since my stay prior to that was under the terms of the transition arrangements, or have I already started using up my 90 days even though it's not yet January 1st?
Dec 28, 2020, 2:04 pm
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Does anyone know when the 90 day clock starts ticking? E.g. if I'm already in an EU country as a tourist now, and I stay in the country over New Year, do I get a fresh 90 days immediately on January 1st since my stay prior to that was under the terms of the transition arrangements, or have I already started using up my 90 days even though it's not yet January 1st?
e.g.
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-ad...y-requirements
Dec 28, 2020, 2:25 pm
#115
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Good question. From what I see, your 90 day limit will count as from January 1 and will not be counted before even if you were in the country from before.
e.g.
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-ad...y-requirements
e.g.
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-ad...y-requirements
Dec 31, 2020, 11:15 am
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Dec 31, 2020, 1:53 pm
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In smaller airports where the EU and non-EU desks are within sight of each other, often the officers will take any passenger once they have processed their normal queue, but you do occasionally get a jobsworth (or a partly trained officer) who can't be flexible.
And of course there will be the risk of a bit of 'that'll teach 'em' attitude coming from some immigration teams wanting to make British passport holders suffer the consequences of some delays due to to the choice of the country to exit the EU.
This situation will improve in 2022 when the EU version of the ESTA is introduced and after ponying up the small fee I understand we will be able to use eGates again.
Jan 1, 2021, 10:50 am
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Canadian import to the UK and before getting my UK citizenship back in 2015, stood in a number of "non-EU" lines. As others say, can be variable depending on the demand. But I've never seen it easier or quicker than the EU lines. Plus I've had to dust off my "90 days in 180 days" spreadsheet to track my time in the EU.