code share query - AC ?
Originally Posted by YYCCL3
(Post 32838253)
Start pushed back to March 9th 2021 as of today.
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Originally Posted by Antonio8069
(Post 32838339)
Interesting. Any speculation on what the AC codeshare arrangements will look like? (TK currently operates out of YUL & YYZ).
By the way, due to the joint venture agreement between LH, UA, and AC; Air Canada is not allowed to sell point-to-point tickets on the YYZ-IST codeshare, plus they could also not use this service for selling onward connections to Europe. |
As of today, it looks like they are only selling flights starting May 2. Curious if this route will be just outright cancelled at one point, since it hasn't even been opened.
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Originally Posted by toonomadic
(Post 33058945)
As of today, it looks like they are only selling flights starting May 2. Curious if this route will be just outright cancelled at one point, since it hasn't even been opened.
Vancouver is a strategic destination for TK and due to the border closures and Canada implementing 15 days of self-isolation where the first 3 days are spent in a hotel room, I don't think there is demand at this point. |
Originally Posted by toonomadic
(Post 33058945)
As of today, it looks like they are only selling flights starting May 2. Curious if this route will be just outright cancelled at one point, since it hasn't even been opened.
Originally Posted by ISTFlyer
(Post 33058969)
If I'm not wrong, TK would start the route at some point, most likely when Canada re-opens their border and removes quarantine for arrivals.
Vancouver is a strategic destination for TK and due to the border closures and Canada implementing 15 days of self-isolation where the first 3 days are spent in a hotel room, I don't think there is demand at this point. The new Canadian rules about hotel quarantine are completely about dis-incentivising Canadians from travelling internationally. (borders are of course shut to foreigners already) I can't really see that changing until a significant % of the population is vaccinated, and that's not going to happen by May and probably not before the summer. Simply not the time to be launching a new route... But longer term there still may be a market for South Asia <--> Western Canada that isn't really well served by anybody. |
Originally Posted by craigthemif
(Post 33059210)
I had been about to move over some Marriott points to book some August flights to/from YVR, when the J award space just disappeared yesterday. That's not a great sign IMO, but of course it could be meaningless.
The new Canadian rules about hotel quarantine are completely about dis-incentivising Canadians from travelling internationally. (borders are of course shut to foreigners already) I can't really see that changing until a significant % of the population is vaccinated, and that's not going to happen by May and probably not before the summer. Simply not the time to be launching a new route... But longer term there still may be a market for South Asia <--> Western Canada that isn't really well served by anybody. If cancellation is coming for June I'd rather know it earlier than 2 weeks/1 month prior and rebook for later than fly LH/AC to my final destination in EU. Fingers crossed. |
Originally Posted by ISTFlyer
(Post 33058969)
If I'm not wrong, TK would start the route at some point, most likely when Canada re-opens their border and removes quarantine for arrivals.
Vancouver is a strategic destination for TK and due to the border closures and Canada implementing 15 days of self-isolation where the first 3 days are spent in a hotel room, I don't think there is demand at this point. |
Originally Posted by lsquare
(Post 33059241)
Why do you think YVR is a strategic destination for TK?
Also, someone in airliners.net was mentioning that Turkish had spent a lot of effort getting those slots. Initially, the Canadian government rejected TK's slot request, then they provided 2 slots for arrival/departure and after another set of negotiations, they have agreed that they will have 3 slots for arrival/departure. |
Originally Posted by craigthemif
(Post 33059210)
I had been about to move over some Marriott points to book some August flights to/from YVR, when the J award space just disappeared yesterday. That's not a great sign IMO, but of course it could be meaningless.
The new Canadian rules about hotel quarantine are completely about dis-incentivising Canadians from travelling internationally. (borders are of course shut to foreigners already) I can't really see that changing until a significant % of the population is vaccinated, and that's not going to happen by May and probably not before the summer. Simply not the time to be launching a new route... But longer term there still may be a market for South Asia <--> Western Canada that isn't really well served by anybody. AC flies to South Asia, but it's pretty expensive and that's probably due to a lack of competition. |
Originally Posted by ISTFlyer
(Post 33059473)
YVR is slot limited because the Canadian government wants to protect Air Canada. That's why none of the ME3 is able to fly to Vancouver. TK would have strategic importance carrying the Central Asian population from/to their native country. There is a hugeYVR <-> Central Asia market and TK is now part of it.
Also, someone in airliners.net was mentioning that Turkish had spent a lot of effort getting those slots. Initially, the Canadian government rejected TK's slot request, then they provided 2 slots for arrival/departure and after another set of negotiations, they have agreed that they will have 3 slots for arrival/departure. |
Looks like it's happening
https://biv.com/article/2021/04/turk...-flights-may-2
mentions that the route will start May 2nd. Curious to see how things go. |
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Originally Posted by hfly
(Post 33213815)
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Originally Posted by nacho
(Post 33214130)
Yep got an email about it, so it's definitely serious.
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Originally Posted by tobegold
(Post 33214379)
Starting May 2 per emails, return fares between IST and YVR are over 35% more when originating from YVR vs IST in J, can get lower fares on LH. YVR gets very little competition compared to most other NA gateways.
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