Outgoing TSA chief says "random" precheck status is ending
Jan 19, 2015, 3:52 pm
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Extortion... eh, I paid $100 and it's good for five years. I don't deal with the hassles of taking crap out of bags, I don't deal with long lines (usually), and I also avoid long lines coming in from international locales. Seems worth it to me.
The PreCheck lines at LGA's United terminal and DEN's Concourse A (walkway, not the big bullpen) were great for me a few weeks ago around the holidays. Granted it was Saturday travel.
The PreCheck lines at LGA's United terminal and DEN's Concourse A (walkway, not the big bullpen) were great for me a few weeks ago around the holidays. Granted it was Saturday travel.
Jan 19, 2015, 4:00 pm
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PreCheck is the perfect example of a fee-for-service model of government, in which those of us who value our time more, travel regularly, and are willing to undergo a background check are rewarded with a more predictable experience. Bravo to the TSA for understanding that capitalism isn't the enemy, something folks on here seem to have forgotten.
Jan 19, 2015, 4:15 pm
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Fascinating how PreCheck turns ordinary Americans into socialists, demanding every conceivable service be made available to them at no cost.
PreCheck is the perfect example of a fee-for-service model of government, in which those of us who value our time more, travel regularly, and are willing to undergo a background check are rewarded with a more predictable experience. Bravo to the TSA for understanding that capitalism isn't the enemy, something folks on here seem to have forgotten.
PreCheck is the perfect example of a fee-for-service model of government, in which those of us who value our time more, travel regularly, and are willing to undergo a background check are rewarded with a more predictable experience. Bravo to the TSA for understanding that capitalism isn't the enemy, something folks on here seem to have forgotten.
Jan 19, 2015, 5:21 pm
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The root problem is the assertion that PreCheck requires a background check. It shouldn't. Making travelers pay for something that should not be required as a condition of reduced harassment is extortion. PreCheck without ID, background check, payola/graft, or any other precondition should be the standard screening experience, absent clear, articulable probable cause to the contrary.
Jan 19, 2015, 5:28 pm
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Fascinating how PreCheck turns ordinary Americans into socialists, demanding every conceivable service be made available to them at no cost.
PreCheck is the perfect example of a fee-for-service model of government, in which those of us who value our time more, travel regularly, and are willing to undergo a background check are rewarded with a more predictable experience. Bravo to the TSA for understanding that capitalism isn't the enemy, something folks on here seem to have forgotten.
PreCheck is the perfect example of a fee-for-service model of government, in which those of us who value our time more, travel regularly, and are willing to undergo a background check are rewarded with a more predictable experience. Bravo to the TSA for understanding that capitalism isn't the enemy, something folks on here seem to have forgotten.
PreCheck has absolutely NOTHING to do with the TSA understanding capitalism "is not the enemy." It is pure extortion which results in making some people more equal than others.
Jan 19, 2015, 7:51 pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Westby
Fascinating how PreCheck turns ordinary Americans into socialists, demanding every conceivable service be made available to them at no cost.
PreCheck is the perfect example of a fee-for-service model of government, in which those of us who value our time more, travel regularly, and are willing to undergo a background check are rewarded with a more predictable experience. Bravo to the TSA for understanding that capitalism isn't the enemy, something folks on here seem to have forgotten.
Why should any citizen have to pay to not be scanned or groped at a checkpoint?
PreCheck has absolutely NOTHING to do with the TSA understanding capitalism "is not the enemy." It is pure extortion which results in making some people more equal than others.
Originally Posted by Eric Westby
Fascinating how PreCheck turns ordinary Americans into socialists, demanding every conceivable service be made available to them at no cost.
PreCheck is the perfect example of a fee-for-service model of government, in which those of us who value our time more, travel regularly, and are willing to undergo a background check are rewarded with a more predictable experience. Bravo to the TSA for understanding that capitalism isn't the enemy, something folks on here seem to have forgotten.
Why should any citizen have to pay to not be scanned or groped at a checkpoint?
PreCheck has absolutely NOTHING to do with the TSA understanding capitalism "is not the enemy." It is pure extortion which results in making some people more equal than others.
Jan 20, 2015, 12:36 pm
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Then as I said above, it seems your beef is with post-9/11 airport security in general, not with PreCheck.
I will agree with you on one important point: I find the notion that we need the government to protect us from every conceivable threat rather tiresome. Unfortunately the vast majority of Americans disagree with us, and would howl for even more restrictive security measures should planes start regularly dropping from the sky.
I will agree with you on one important point: I find the notion that we need the government to protect us from every conceivable threat rather tiresome. Unfortunately the vast majority of Americans disagree with us, and would howl for even more restrictive security measures should planes start regularly dropping from the sky.
Jan 20, 2015, 1:47 pm
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Jan 21, 2015, 10:21 am
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Then as I said above, it seems your beef is with post-9/11 airport security in general, not with PreCheck.
I will agree with you on one important point: I find the notion that we need the government to protect us from every conceivable threat rather tiresome. Unfortunately the vast majority of Americans disagree with us, and would howl for even more restrictive security measures should planes start regularly dropping from the sky.
I will agree with you on one important point: I find the notion that we need the government to protect us from every conceivable threat rather tiresome. Unfortunately the vast majority of Americans disagree with us, and would howl for even more restrictive security measures should planes start regularly dropping from the sky.
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Jan 30, 2015, 3:51 am
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I stand corrected with regard to clueless non-PreCheck flyers being aimlessly shunted to the PreCheck lane at BOS Terminal B. It happened just now, adding a good ten minutes to my already tight early morning check-in.
Maybe they do it at hours when PreCheck would otherwise be 99% empty? I should have used the old trick of using the checkpoints on the US Airways Shuttle side, but I haven't had to do that in months. Very disappointing regardless.
Maybe they do it at hours when PreCheck would otherwise be 99% empty? I should have used the old trick of using the checkpoints on the US Airways Shuttle side, but I haven't had to do that in months. Very disappointing regardless.
Feb 1, 2015, 3:06 pm
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How are they going to get enough people to sign up if the damn precheck lane is closed. I noticed at least a dozen people getting 3 beeps. Even expedited required a run through body scanners for everyone.
Feb 6, 2015, 8:35 am
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I have GE now, but embarrassingly, before we got it, we were one of those clueless family's in the pre check line, as on a single trip we were direct into the pre-check lane twice, without any direction / notice that we were being sent into the pre-check line. So please don't blame the families, it's likely they weren't told.
Also annoyingly, my favorite pull on boots with no obvious metal apparently have internal metal supports in the and set off the metal detectors every time.
Also annoyingly, my favorite pull on boots with no obvious metal apparently have internal metal supports in the and set off the metal detectors every time.
Feb 6, 2015, 10:59 am
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I stand corrected with regard to clueless non-PreCheck flyers being aimlessly shunted to the PreCheck lane at BOS Terminal B. It happened just now, adding a good ten minutes to my already tight early morning check-in.
Maybe they do it at hours when PreCheck would otherwise be 99% empty? I should have used the old trick of using the checkpoints on the US Airways Shuttle side, but I haven't had to do that in months. Very disappointing regardless.
Maybe they do it at hours when PreCheck would otherwise be 99% empty? I should have used the old trick of using the checkpoints on the US Airways Shuttle side, but I haven't had to do that in months. Very disappointing regardless.
I have GE now, but embarrassingly, before we got it, we were one of those clueless family's in the pre check line, as on a single trip we were direct into the pre-check lane twice, without any direction / notice that we were being sent into the pre-check line. So please don't blame the families, it's likely they weren't told.
Also annoyingly, my favorite pull on boots with no obvious metal apparently have internal metal supports in the and set off the metal detectors every time.
Also annoyingly, my favorite pull on boots with no obvious metal apparently have internal metal supports in the and set off the metal detectors every time.
Agreed. I used to get silently annoyed with the "kettles" holding up the line, and then somebody on FT pointed out that there was no reason for them to know the rules. They didn't make the decision to do pre-check.
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Feb 6, 2015, 11:08 am
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