Crackdown on Global Entry "Zero tolerance"
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Alphaod,
I think that CBP officers may end up being allies in this case.
To date, I've contacted both senators, my congressional representative, the CEO of the Port of Seattle, and Airlines for America. Nobody responded.
Even if I was told "we don't control this," or "not much we can do," I would have preferred some sort of response.
I can't think of anyone else to contact.
I think that CBP officers may end up being allies in this case.
To date, I've contacted both senators, my congressional representative, the CEO of the Port of Seattle, and Airlines for America. Nobody responded.
Even if I was told "we don't control this," or "not much we can do," I would have preferred some sort of response.
I can't think of anyone else to contact.
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Paracetamol is Tylenol. It takes a 3 second Google search for those that don't know that. The US, Japan and Canada are basically the only places that call it Acetaminophen.
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The big unresolved question here is, who is the "appropriate CBP official" to whom you are supposed to declare prescription drugs? If you wait until after you have been selected for random secondary inspection at the kiosk, it seems to me you'd be in trouble.
The only alternative I see is to use the regular process--I guess you could stand in the crew line, and I'm sure the crew members will love that--and declare to the agent there.
We also haven't figured out how to make a departure declaration.
The only alternative I see is to use the regular process--I guess you could stand in the crew line, and I'm sure the crew members will love that--and declare to the agent there.
We also haven't figured out how to make a departure declaration.
Last edited by pdquick; Aug 15, 2015 at 4:16 pm Reason: Correction of a typo
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I just found this on the CBP website:
"Prescription medications should be in their original containers with the doctor's prescription printed on the container. It is advised that you travel with no more than personal use quantities, a rule of thumb is no more than a 90 day supply. If your medications or devices are not in their original containers, you must have a copy of your prescription with you or a letter from your doctor. A valid prescription or doctors note is required on all medication entering the U.S."
https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/det...id/67/search/1
So apparently, the label on the bottle is considered the "prescription" for their purposes.
Here is the location information for CBP at U.S. ports of entry (and departure). I'm going to try showing up at the SFO site the day before my flight with boarding pass in hand for my 7:30AM flight and see what happens. I'll report back.
http://www.cbp.gov/contact/ports
This is, of course, a huge PITA.
"Prescription medications should be in their original containers with the doctor's prescription printed on the container. It is advised that you travel with no more than personal use quantities, a rule of thumb is no more than a 90 day supply. If your medications or devices are not in their original containers, you must have a copy of your prescription with you or a letter from your doctor. A valid prescription or doctors note is required on all medication entering the U.S."
https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/det...id/67/search/1
So apparently, the label on the bottle is considered the "prescription" for their purposes.
Here is the location information for CBP at U.S. ports of entry (and departure). I'm going to try showing up at the SFO site the day before my flight with boarding pass in hand for my 7:30AM flight and see what happens. I'll report back.
http://www.cbp.gov/contact/ports
This is, of course, a huge PITA.
Last edited by pdquick; Aug 15, 2015 at 4:03 pm Reason: Added the URL for CBP ports
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I just found this on the CBP website:
"Prescription medications should be in their original containers with the doctor's prescription printed on the container. It is advised that you travel with no more than personal use quantities, a rule of thumb is no more than a 90 day supply. If your medications or devices are not in their original containers, you must have a copy of your prescription with you or a letter from your doctor. A valid prescription or doctors note is required on all medication entering the U.S."
https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/det...id/67/search/1
So apparently, the label on the bottle is considered the "prescription" for their purposes.
Here is the location information for CBP at U.S. ports of entry (and departure). I'm going to try showing up at the SFO site the day before my flight with boarding pass in hand for my 7:30AM flight and see what happens. I'll report back.
http://www.cbp.gov/contact/ports
This is, of course, a huge PITA.
"Prescription medications should be in their original containers with the doctor's prescription printed on the container. It is advised that you travel with no more than personal use quantities, a rule of thumb is no more than a 90 day supply. If your medications or devices are not in their original containers, you must have a copy of your prescription with you or a letter from your doctor. A valid prescription or doctors note is required on all medication entering the U.S."
https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/det...id/67/search/1
So apparently, the label on the bottle is considered the "prescription" for their purposes.
Here is the location information for CBP at U.S. ports of entry (and departure). I'm going to try showing up at the SFO site the day before my flight with boarding pass in hand for my 7:30AM flight and see what happens. I'll report back.
http://www.cbp.gov/contact/ports
This is, of course, a huge PITA.
For me, the real issue is the very serious consequences if one is unlucky enough to be singled out by a zero-tolerance agent looking to make an example of someone.
The odds may be slim, but it only takes once. This kind of shabby game-playing by our government agents disgusts me.
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Meanwhile, I've also run across this page from the DEA, regarding the applicable regulations in the CFR. I literally can't find a procedure for compliance with this anywhere. I'm considering sending a certified letter to CPB in advance of departure and letting it go at that.
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21...01/1301_26.htm
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21...01/1301_26.htm
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Meanwhile, I've also run across this page from the DEA, regarding the applicable regulations in the CFR. I literally can't find a procedure for compliance with this anywhere. I'm considering sending a certified letter to CPB in advance of departure and letting it go at that.
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21...01/1301_26.htm
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21...01/1301_26.htm
Any individual who has in his/her possession a controlled substance listed in schedules II, III, IV, or V, which he/she has lawfully obtained for his/her personal medical use,
[...]
a United States resident may import into the United States no more than 50 dosage units combined of all such controlled substances in the individual's possession that were obtained abroad for personal medical use.
[...]
a United States resident may import into the United States no more than 50 dosage units combined of all such controlled substances in the individual's possession that were obtained abroad for personal medical use.
The usually-quotes 90-day supply rule actually comes from a specific exemption for un-approved prescription drugs, e.g. back in the day AZT was the big driver. http://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/Transpar.../ucm194904.htm
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Right. This rule just covers controlled substances.
I can't find a rule that covers non-sceduled drugs, either, but we have established that there's a rule requiring a DEPARTURE declaration as well as an entry declaration for controlled substances, and one of the questions was how to do that.
I think I've found a clue to how to handle the departure declaration. You go to a port of entry and ask for a Form 4457 Certificate of Registration for Personal Effects Taken Abroad. You can apparently do this in advance of your departure (i.e., not the same day) as long as the inventory on the form will match what you are taking out and taking back in. A replica of that form is here:
http://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/fil...P%20Form_0.pdf
Ironically, I found the reference to this on the CBP page about taking firearms out of the country, but as you can see from the form, it covers all "Personal effects," not just firearms. The firearm guidance is here:
https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/det...ifle%2C-gun%2C
I don't see any reason why the controlled substance declaration shouldn't work the same way. But like I said, I'll test this theory and report back.
I also think having a 4457 in your possession certainly bolsters your case that you are following the law if you get secondaried after using Global Entry, but I intend to ask when I go in to get the 4457 how I should proceed to declare when I return with residual meds, and whether I can still use GE.
I can't find a rule that covers non-sceduled drugs, either, but we have established that there's a rule requiring a DEPARTURE declaration as well as an entry declaration for controlled substances, and one of the questions was how to do that.
I think I've found a clue to how to handle the departure declaration. You go to a port of entry and ask for a Form 4457 Certificate of Registration for Personal Effects Taken Abroad. You can apparently do this in advance of your departure (i.e., not the same day) as long as the inventory on the form will match what you are taking out and taking back in. A replica of that form is here:
http://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/fil...P%20Form_0.pdf
Ironically, I found the reference to this on the CBP page about taking firearms out of the country, but as you can see from the form, it covers all "Personal effects," not just firearms. The firearm guidance is here:
https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/det...ifle%2C-gun%2C
I don't see any reason why the controlled substance declaration shouldn't work the same way. But like I said, I'll test this theory and report back.
I also think having a 4457 in your possession certainly bolsters your case that you are following the law if you get secondaried after using Global Entry, but I intend to ask when I go in to get the 4457 how I should proceed to declare when I return with residual meds, and whether I can still use GE.
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Recently my Wife got sick while in Panama and was prescribed Z-Pak and declared it upon arriving in MIA.
The Immigration Officer looked at her like she was nuts and said Z-Pak is not of any concern, get out of here and that was that.
I wish rules were rules and not rules are rules depending on who you talk to.
The Immigration Officer looked at her like she was nuts and said Z-Pak is not of any concern, get out of here and that was that.
I wish rules were rules and not rules are rules depending on who you talk to.
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Recently my Wife got sick while in Panama and was prescribed Z-Pak and declared it upon arriving in MIA.
The Immigration Officer looked at her like she was nuts and said Z-Pak is not of any concern, get out of here and that was that.
I wish rules were rules and not rules are rules depending on who you talk to.
The Immigration Officer looked at her like she was nuts and said Z-Pak is not of any concern, get out of here and that was that.
I wish rules were rules and not rules are rules depending on who you talk to.
When you have plenty of CBP employees telling people that 'if it goes in your mouth, you must declare it, even if it is allowed', it is completely inappropriate for a CBP agent to snap "why are you wasting my time?" at a traveller who declares chocolates and candy.
It's even more inappropriate to then send them for an inapplicable agricultural screening (I'm talking about you, ORD).
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I also think having a 4457 in your possession certainly bolsters your case that you are following the law if you get secondaried after using Global Entry, but I intend to ask when I go in to get the 4457 how I should proceed to declare when I return with residual meds, and whether I can still use GE.
Hard to imagine doing this with a bottle of pills, but I guess if you really need your scheduled medications it's better than the alternative.
(* the specific case was that we needed a very powerful server temporarily at a customer site in NZ for a few weeks, and it was not practical to lease one and set it up remotely. It was much easier and somewhat cheaper to send someone with it as personal baggage -- even with oversize and overweight fees -- and have him bring it in using a "temporary business materials" rule [I think this is also called carnet?] rather than send it Fedex and have it have to clear customs there unattended where they are likely to assume it will stay in the country. I volunteered for this, but my colleague was the more logical one to send.
)From what I can see, declaring a potentially problematic food item and being sent to the agricultural inspectors (are they also CBP, or are they USDA?) is bordering on a reliable (but time consuming) way to avoid other aspects of secondary.
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As you note, it was better than a full-on secondary. Neither seemed an appropriate response to someone who declares 'chocolate candy'. If there were doubts (fresh fruit dipped in chocolate, Kindereggs), that should be resolved with a question or two, not require a secondary of any kind. IMHO.
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As you note, it was better than a full-on secondary. Neither seemed an appropriate response to someone who declares 'chocolate candy'. If there were doubts (fresh fruit dipped in chocolate, Kindereggs), that should be resolved with a question or two, not require a secondary of any kind. IMHO. 

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I don't play games with this stuff. Not only is GE easily revoked, but it's easy to wind up on watch lists which can make entry a hell for a long time.
If it's declarable, I declare it. I could care less if some CBP Officer says that he doesn't care about throat lozenges or whatever.
I've got paper copies of prescriptions in case I need to see a doc overseas and it's 2 AM back in the US and I just need to show him what I take. Those papers go in a file with other essential stuff. I've never needed them, but I've got them.
If it's declarable, I declare it. I could care less if some CBP Officer says that he doesn't care about throat lozenges or whatever.
I've got paper copies of prescriptions in case I need to see a doc overseas and it's 2 AM back in the US and I just need to show him what I take. Those papers go in a file with other essential stuff. I've never needed them, but I've got them.

