physically ejected from a plane
 

On a recent trip I was physically ejected off
the plane by airline staff. I am interested in
people who had similar problems with the
airlines; what was done by them; and what
was resolved. I think it is a shame in this
day and age that consumers have to tolerate
this type of behavior by major corporations.

[This message has been edited by chauming (edited 06-16-1999).]

Never been ejected tho I did (in my daze of youth) have a UA first officer ask me to never fly the friendly skies again...

So what's the story here????

Curiosity is not limited to Cat(man)s...

chauming:
You wouldn't happen to be from Manchester?

I made it sound worse than it is. They wanted
me off the plane for some reason that I do
not know at this time because they never gave
me a official reason yet. I told them that I
was not leaving and they attempted to remove
my bags. At which point I departed the plane.
They put me up in a hotel and I was on the next
plane out the next day.

Did you do anything on/to the cart?

Kyklin, I presume s/he was not invited to reboard. That was quite a tale, though.

jl

Still haven't found out why?

What cart?

I haven't asked for a response yet because it happened so recently that I am weighing my options on how to proceed on this matter; that's why I am interested in how people in similar situations did.

I think we need more particulars before anyone can offer an opinion.

I was referring to the incident that was one of the first and most (in)famous incident of air rage/ejection/arrests, which involves an UA airline and a cart.

But in any case, please provide more information about your flight so we may better ascertain your situation.

Kyklin... I remember that story about "Cart-man" all too well, since I had to find a way with tact with class to write it when it happened and when Cart-man went to court.

*(And I don't mean the character from "South Park.")

Thank you for sparing us the details. Some people just have no class (no matter how much $$$ they ahve!)


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Chauming:
You weren't on the 8:51am UA flight from SFO-SNA on Monday the 14th, were you? There was a gentleman phisically removed from that flight. I (1K) was bumped off too but thats because the checkin line at the gate was so bloody long.

Kyklin: I was wondering if that was the incident you were referring to. It gave me a good laugh to recall it. As I remember, when the incident came to court the man simply denied doing it. He said it didn't happen (is this true?)

Deny, deny deny.

Yes, I was referring to the incident where the businessman in the UA business class who did his business on a place where he had no business to be in...


In any case, I think the case settled out of court. Perhaps others can provide the detail?

I don't mean to make fun of your plight if it happened, chauming, but since no information were given, we can't really render an opinion.

Well, there's a joke here somewhere about that "gentleman" should actually get an award for improving on-board meal quality, but I won't go there as Baobab has already come down on me for my questionable poopy jokes.

Yes, now I remember the incident with "cartman."
I believe he was arrested and prosecuted for
his actions. My situation is quite different
since I was not arrested. The airline personnel
felt I was not entitled to any answer from them.
They put me up in a hotel and welcome me aboard
the next flight. There was an incident in the
past where a couple was denied boarding because
they smelled funny. Maybe that's my situation, or
maybe not. I still paid that money for that flight-extra money because it was a weekend flight. And no I wasn't on a june 14th flight. Basically, what right does a passenger have for being thrown off a plane?
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[This message has been edited by chauming (edited 06-17-1999).]

"a couple was denied boarding because they smelled funny. Maybe that's my situation, or maybe not."

chauming, your "case"-description is so vague that I start believing the airline did just right.

Chauming, your description is so vague and schetchy, I don't know what you expect people to say. Just what are you fishing for? Are you looking to out the darkest secrets of FlyerTalkers? http://talk.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

I am starting to agree with Rudi that your lack of detail rather suggests you did something to get yourself in that sitaution. Also, I don't quite see how you expect an explanation now, if the airline didn't give you one at the time.

The crew must have offered some sort of explanation if only to calm the nerves of your fellow passengers. If my seatmate were mysteriously asked to leave for no obvious reason, I think I would be a little worried.

J.

What's the real story? Were you on the right plane to begin with?

We had a recent experience where there were two flights from Detroit to Seattle leaving only 15 minutes apart from adjacent gates. For reasons I didn't exactly understand, there were a bunch of people on our flight who were actually supposed to be on the flight which left 15 minutes later. Naturally when the FAs asked those people to identify themselves, nobody spoke up. Some actually had no idea they were on the wrong plane and some just didn't want to move.

When they found the first few offenders they did physically eject them from the plane but it was taking too long, so they just finally gave up and put the overload on the later plane.

In the end it really didn't matter because both planes arrived at almost exactly the same time and shared the same baggage claim position. People were just miffed because the didn't get the seat they though they were supposed to have.

It provided fairly interesting entertainment.

One circumstance where the airlines reserve the right to take you off is if you're flying on an employee ticket - you agree to un-board if that's needed.

This led to a humorous (though perhaps apocryphal) story concerning a (male) employee named "Gay" (perhaps short for Gaylord). After he took the wrong seat, the counter agent came on and asked the passenger in the correct seat if he was Gay. The unsuspecting passenger made the obvious incorrect interpretation, and answered that indeed he was! "You'll have to get off, sir." At which point our hero said "No, I'm Gay; I'll get off" and another nearby passenger announced "I'm gay, too - they can't throw us all off!"

Back to Chauming's situation, or lack thereof, I agree that we need more information to comment...and his lack of same makes me suspect the airline did the right thing.

I thought that I explained it in every one
of my posts-that I am looking for information
on what rights do passengers have when they
get kicked off the plane. I am not looking for
reasons why people get kicked off planes, nor
am Iooking for smartass remarks. So far not
one person has answered the question. I thought it
was a simple question, not a vague one. I am not going
to create "details." The facts are what has
already stated. I ask for your help, not sarcasm.

Chauming, your rights depend on the reason you were kicked off the plane. What was the reason that the airline gave you that you were removed? This you have not told us. They must have said something when you asked why. There are many, many reasons in which the airline has every right to have a person removed from a flight. There are also many instances where if you are removed involuntarily that some sort of denied boarding compensation is due to you. But no one can give you the advise you request without a more specific account of just what occured in your instance.

Too right Premex. I smell a rat and it gets bigger by the post.

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I'm sorry for your perception that we are making smart remarks. I have re-read this thread and I can understand why you would feel that way. Please believe that all comments were meant to be in good humor, and no offense was intended. Unfortunately, with the limited amount of information you have provided, we can only provide general advice.

All paid air travel is subject to what is called the "Conditions of Contract". This is the reams of paperwork that represent the airlines shot at rules. They change frequently. What these rules entitle you to, and what the airline might do for you can be two very different things depending upon why you were ejected, how much business you give the airline, the mood of the rep you speak to, and a million other variables.

Airline compensation when they are at fault, and the only damage is a being put on a later flight is usually limited to the cost of your temporary accomodations and meals, upgraded service on the next flight and a voucher not exceeding the full fare cost of the flight you were bumped from. With no other details of your situation, that is the most you could ask for.

If we knew what reason they provided to you, we would be better able to determine what you could obtain.

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first of all, I think it is impossible for an airine to kick you off a plane without even one employee telling you why. At least a small amount of detail should be given to you, hey, when someone get arrested, they are told their rights and why. So if you are failing or hiding the real truth why you are kicked off the plane, no one here can help you.

A lot of us here have mentioned compensation and right depends on why you were kicked off. Just use common sense, would an airline kick you off then offer you hotel and put you on the next plane out without even telling you why they did it.

I think we should all end the discussion of this thread until more information is given to us. An reason should obviously have been given.

Regards,
Empress

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CHAUMIN:
Based upon my extensive education and background in investigation, etc, I feel you're just being too cryptic for whatever your reasons are.

I suggest that you consult Terry Trippler's www.rulesoftheair.com which you can find at www.1travel.com .

The biggest problem I have is not with what you are telling us, BUT WITH WHAT YOU ARE NOT. Although I've only been posting for 2 months, and am still a "junior member", I've found the FTers to be the most knowledgeable and helpful folks on the www.

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Empress: I going to show you why your post
makes no sense and the impossible sounds
like very probable. If a person gets arrested he
can point to the law and the constitution for
an explanation of the charges. When you get
thrown off a plane and the airline staff tells
you that you are not entitled to an explanation, what
are you going to tell them? This is an actual
situation, not some made up story. Unless you
can answer the question of why they cannot throw you off the plane without an explanation, then they have every right to do so.

[This message has been edited by chauming (edited 06-20-1999).]

AMEN (please!)

Well, I guess that you did something that is so disgusted that the airline didn't bother tell you and expected you to know!!

-30-

senor noetawl putt -30- en postie. thet meen et awl ovr butt thes post frum arturo. arturo stihl themk "mr. charmin" pass gas an they knot tel hem about fatulanse.

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Well, when you people need a question answered, I
will do the same for you all as you did for
me-provide no answers with a lot of snotty
remarks. What is so pathetic is the fact that
you all claim to be very informative, yet
cannot answer a simple question. The thread should
end because of the childish responses. When you all
need help, I hope you get what you gave here.

"On a recent trip I was physically ejected off the plane by airline staff. I am interested in people who had similar problems with the airlines; what was done by them; and what was resolved".

Actually I think you can tell by the responses that no one on this board has been physically ejected from an airplane. Chauming you have to admit that this is an unusual event--not the sort of thing you read about in the papers everyday, nor do I see it on the court dockets for lawsuits. About the only time we hear of people being physically ejected is because of criminal behavior. Hence the skepticism and the lack of understanding on this board for your position.

Were you too drunk to know why you were ejected from the plane? Do you have a medical condition that was misinterpreted as aggressive or threatening behavior by the airline crew?

Now the airlines do some things to tick us off and occasionally treat us miserably. I have never seen nor heard of a case where someone was "physically ejected" for no apparent reason. I have seen people who have been asked to leave as there was a double booked seat but the people have always gone without incident so have not had to be "ejected" and the airlines have always been kind and apologetic to them.

Were you physically ejected or kindly asked to leave (you did say in a subsequent post that you made it sound worse than it was and I think that is what has led to the confrontation that has developed in this thread)?

I could go on and on but it should be obvious by now that what may seem like a simple question to you is obviously not a simple question to those who have never experienced such a situation. While you may interpret some of the comments as "snotty", I actually thought that flyer talkers were trying to get to the bottom of it.

If you had said: "The plane was fully booked and I was seated in 5C, another passenger came along and had a boarding card for 5C also. Since he had Diamond status and I am only Silver, the flight attendant asked me to give up my seat. I was very upset as I had my anniversary to get to so I stood my ground and said that I wasn't going anywhere. After a little while I calmed down and acceded to their request. They put me up in a hotel overnight and put me on the first flight out in the morning. What else do you think I am entitled to and how do you think a person should handle a situation like this? Anybody out there that has had similar problems?" Now that is something we could relate to and you might have gotten some helpful advice and, probably, a lot of sympathy.

If you look at the threads, with some minor exceptions, most people try to be helpful and we have even developed a sense of community here. Some of us have even helped out a fellow Flyer Talker to resolve a problem with a particular airline.

chauming did 52 postings overall - I did read all of them:
- most threads chauming started were questions, many of them were in a negative "mood" right from the start
- on many questions flyertalk-colleagues gave answers/comments to the best of their knowledge - I have yet to see a "thank you" from chauming to any one who answered ...
- and I didn't find any really good advice/info from chauming when I re-read all 52 postings these last days.

thank you chauming for ending this thread!

(I would prefer to communicate this by direct email - under four eyes - but I can't find your email address anywhere).

[This message has been edited by Rudi (edited 06-20-1999).]

Right on Rudi!

Chauming may or may not have gotten his/her answer, but I must thank you all for making me laugh until I cried!

arturo sey mucho gracias two hes amego, rudi, fore hes post. arturo now go about hilping peepl who wan two be hilped.

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CATMAN: As the esteemed ARTURO states on 6/19/99 -30- means "ET AWL OVR"

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What does 30 mean?

30 posts???

Charming... I stepped out of this debate because I'm sorry but I would need more details like what airline, what time, what time you boarded, class of service, what compensation.

If you were physically thrown off I would think at least one of the local news outfits or CNN would pick it up.

They do all the other "air problem" stories.

But as some suggested, I think we should put this thread to rest.




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