Couriers
#16


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Biz. I've seen them on PEK-ICN and ICN-PEK shuttle on OZ with a big sack strapped to a seat that says something like US State Department. If I'm not mistaken, the couriers are based in Seoul since I've seen them in the gate area waiting to board their flights but stay airside in PEK. I didn't realize these are full-time jobs. I thought embassy clerks or drivers volunteer to do these quick turn-around trips. But they do our country (USA) a service since I wouldn't entrust inter-office mail to China Post.
BTW, the sack/pouch flies biz too.
BTW, the sack/pouch flies biz too.
Hmmm.. Now we're talking.
#17
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Dudemon had provided some short answers here.
I has a friend who took foreign language classes for months as part of the lengthy foreign service officer training. Don't know if diplomatic couriers have the same language requirement though.
You guys probably should read the other thread for more "disclosure": http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/commu...job-world.html
I has a friend who took foreign language classes for months as part of the lengthy foreign service officer training. Don't know if diplomatic couriers have the same language requirement though.
You guys probably should read the other thread for more "disclosure": http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/commu...job-world.html
#18
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But these are mostly just fast turnarounds, no? So you have very little time to actually see the location.
I'm not sure how things work in the US, but in the EU, most countries run diplomatic couriers on fixed schedules, often sharing the same guys, and they don't necessarily even get out of the airport. So, for example, every Wednesday the same courier flew down on the same flight to TLV, was met at the tarmac by the local embassy reps to hand over the "pouches" (which can actually take many forms), and then flew straight back. Not too exciting...
I'm not sure how things work in the US, but in the EU, most countries run diplomatic couriers on fixed schedules, often sharing the same guys, and they don't necessarily even get out of the airport. So, for example, every Wednesday the same courier flew down on the same flight to TLV, was met at the tarmac by the local embassy reps to hand over the "pouches" (which can actually take many forms), and then flew straight back. Not too exciting...
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#23
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The position is open now for a very short time.
As for the questions above; It can get a bit boring at times but even on the turn-arounds I get to collect the miles and I like that. FT is a place where people discuss doing mileage runs so I don't see the issue at all. Depending on where the courier is based (9 places) determines what % of trips are turn-arounds. Where I am, Frankfurt, it's probably close to 50%. Believe me, the other 50% makes up for the turn-arounds. We go to places that no one in their right mind would ever pay to go.
On Facebook you should see my "been there" map, not just Rome and Paris pinned!
One important note; on the pay, no one, and I mean no one will start at the max pay. If you can't handle the minimum applying may be a waste of your time. You may get more then the minimum but you should plan for the worst.
As for the questions above; It can get a bit boring at times but even on the turn-arounds I get to collect the miles and I like that. FT is a place where people discuss doing mileage runs so I don't see the issue at all. Depending on where the courier is based (9 places) determines what % of trips are turn-arounds. Where I am, Frankfurt, it's probably close to 50%. Believe me, the other 50% makes up for the turn-arounds. We go to places that no one in their right mind would ever pay to go.
On Facebook you should see my "been there" map, not just Rome and Paris pinned!
One important note; on the pay, no one, and I mean no one will start at the max pay. If you can't handle the minimum applying may be a waste of your time. You may get more then the minimum but you should plan for the worst.
#24
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I have a good friend who is US diplomatic courier and as Dudemon implies, it sounds exotic but is really not a bed of roses, even if you did get great pay--which you won't. You often do lots of fast-turnarounds, but sometimes extended trips hopping around to a few places before returning to home base. Often the courier doesn't see much more than the cargo/tarmac side of the airport, then out again. Some places you have to travel are darn unsavory, others flatly unsafe where you're not even allowed to stay overnight.
My friend tells me that due to amount of flying they have to do and resultant elite status, he usually gets upgraded to business class though the base ticket is a negotiated-fare economy one NOT biz class. Seems to be pretty common for intra-Asia couriering. This might depend on where one is based though, and what airlines the gov't is working with out of that location. You do get to keep your miles, but frankly, if you want to earn/keep miles and do it somewhat more on your own terms, get a frequent flying job with a regular company or be a consultant instead, not with the US govt doing something like this.
Not sure how "open" to the public this job announcement really is. I was under the impression most of these jobs go to insiders who have already done some form of US government service. Diplomatic couriers usually aren't part of the regular Foreign Service track and don't have to go through quite the same rigorous winnowing process or language requirements.
PS: Seoul is a "minihub" which can get small mail-bag type shipments into PEK by courier (not regular embassy personnel). Big shipments in volume or size go into PEK by a different method/route. But the main Asian hub for US diplomatic couriers is in Bangkok.
My friend tells me that due to amount of flying they have to do and resultant elite status, he usually gets upgraded to business class though the base ticket is a negotiated-fare economy one NOT biz class. Seems to be pretty common for intra-Asia couriering. This might depend on where one is based though, and what airlines the gov't is working with out of that location. You do get to keep your miles, but frankly, if you want to earn/keep miles and do it somewhat more on your own terms, get a frequent flying job with a regular company or be a consultant instead, not with the US govt doing something like this.
Not sure how "open" to the public this job announcement really is. I was under the impression most of these jobs go to insiders who have already done some form of US government service. Diplomatic couriers usually aren't part of the regular Foreign Service track and don't have to go through quite the same rigorous winnowing process or language requirements.
PS: Seoul is a "minihub" which can get small mail-bag type shipments into PEK by courier (not regular embassy personnel). Big shipments in volume or size go into PEK by a different method/route. But the main Asian hub for US diplomatic couriers is in Bangkok.
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Not sure how "open" to the public this job announcement really is. I was under the impression most of these jobs go to insiders who have already done some form of US government service. Diplomatic couriers usually aren't part of the regular Foreign Service track and don't have to go through quite the same rigorous winnowing process or language requirements.
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Not sure how "open" to the public this job announcement really is. I was under the impression most of these jobs go to insiders who have already done some form of US government service. Diplomatic couriers usually aren't part of the regular Foreign Service track and don't have to go through quite the same rigorous winnowing process or language requirements.
Last edited by Dudemon; Nov 28, 2011 at 9:42 pm
#26
Join Date: Jan 2010
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Some questions about the DP position
Dudemon-
I am looking into the [conforming edited to thread title] Courier position and I have some questions for you, if you don't mind.
1. Do you travel alone, in a pair, with a team? I can't imagine myself (a woman) traveling through the middle east alone and expecting to get anything accomplished. Or escorting hundred or thousand pounds alone...??
2. How far in advance do you plan out your schedule? Or is it a last minute call?
Thank you so much for posting on this board... it is incredibly difficult to find info the actual lifestyle of a DP.
I am looking into the [conforming edited to thread title] Courier position and I have some questions for you, if you don't mind.
1. Do you travel alone, in a pair, with a team? I can't imagine myself (a woman) traveling through the middle east alone and expecting to get anything accomplished. Or escorting hundred or thousand pounds alone...??
2. How far in advance do you plan out your schedule? Or is it a last minute call?
Thank you so much for posting on this board... it is incredibly difficult to find info the actual lifestyle of a DP.
Last edited by Ocn Vw 1K; Nov 29, 2011 at 10:55 pm Reason: see note above.
#27


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Dudemon-
I am looking into the Diplomatic Courier position and I have some questions for you, if you don't mind.
1. Do you travel alone, in a pair, with a team? I can't imagine myself (a woman) traveling through the middle east alone and expecting to get anything accomplished. Or escorting hundred or thousand pounds alone...??
2. How far in advance do you plan out your schedule? Or is it a last minute call?
Thank you so much for posting on this board... it is incredibly difficult to find info the actual lifestyle of a DP.
I am looking into the Diplomatic Courier position and I have some questions for you, if you don't mind.
1. Do you travel alone, in a pair, with a team? I can't imagine myself (a woman) traveling through the middle east alone and expecting to get anything accomplished. Or escorting hundred or thousand pounds alone...??
2. How far in advance do you plan out your schedule? Or is it a last minute call?
Thank you so much for posting on this board... it is incredibly difficult to find info the actual lifestyle of a DP.
#28
Join Date: Jan 2010
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I am not concerned about the rape and/or safety. What I am concerned with is the role of women in many Middle Eastern societies. I think that a male dominated society would give an American woman traveling alone more grief.
I think that cultural aspects and possible implications due to the particular culture of certain regions is something to consider with regards to the DP position.
I think that cultural aspects and possible implications due to the particular culture of certain regions is something to consider with regards to the DP position.
#29


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I am not concerned about the rape and/or safety. What I am concerned with is the role of women in many Middle Eastern societies. I think that a male dominated society would give an American woman traveling alone more grief.
I think that cultural aspects and possible implications due to the particular culture of certain regions is something to consider with regards to the DP position.
I think that cultural aspects and possible implications due to the particular culture of certain regions is something to consider with regards to the DP position.
and at the odd chance you will come in contact with a local man, many of them have different expectations of foreign women vs local women and wouldn't expect you to behave like his wife or sister.
Frankly, as a solo female traveler (on business or pleasure) i have harder time in the Caribbean than in Middle East due to the hassle factor from the men, lack of service and just general bad attitude in many places (or unwillingness to cooperate/do work). In Middle East, Ive' been always respectfully treated, with good service and willingness to communicate to resolve issues. to be clear, my experience involves gulf countries, levant (jordan, etc) and north africa (egypt, morroco, etc). Afganistan, Iraq and other war zones are obviously on a different level of difficulty. but at that point, i doubt being man or woman makes your life significantly easier or harder..
Last edited by lerasp; Jan 4, 2010 at 3:59 pm



