Agreed with leg room being such a big deal - when I used to fly Y TATL I never found leg room a problem at all really. I am 6'2" and I really have no problems sleeping on Y aslong as I am not surrounded by children/babies screaming the entire flight.

Agreed. I'm 6' 0" and 36" waist and my knees start hurting after about 5 hours cramped in a 31" UAL economy seat, forcing me to arrange myself and belongings in a very unsafe configuration (i.e. putting my legs under the seat in front of me and then putting my bag in the area where my feet should be, with my bag blocking my speedy and expedient exit should it become necessary.) Even at 34" pitch, I start having problems after 12+ hours.

IMO it's even worse on flights to Asia because for some reason Asian flyers love to bring things like pots and pans and other things that are better off checked on board.

Couldn't agree more. And then there's the trash dump most of 'us' turn the F cabin into, yet 'we' complain about the conditions of said cabins

I, of course, am an exception to all of this as I am a model passenger

I always put my backpack or briefcase under the seat in front of me to spare overhead room for the people who need it. I did the trick that was mentioned earlier by pulling it out later and putting my legs under the seat in front of me.

I heard a new announcement on a DL flight last week where they said that all aisles must be clear at all times. They then said that this includes the space between seats; that this is also an aisle and your bag must remain under your seat throughout the flight or you are blocking an aisle. Fortunately, they never noticed.

I would never put my stuff under the seat in front of me, if I want to stick my bag and coat in the bin, get over it. I am not having someone spill their drink on their lap, wet themselves, puke, or somehow let any fluids come close to dripping or pouring on my bag or coat.

Have you ever tracked into an airport or a/c bathroom where the floor is soaked, and people put their feet in the space you all expect people to put their coats?! No thanks!

If I get on the plane last, and there is no room for my rolling bag because some teenage girl put her roller, purse, laptop bag, 3 shopping bags in the overhead bin - oh well for me! I will have the FA check my roller and FIND room to stuff my laptop bag.

I would never expect someone else to care about my needs, what kind of crap is that.

So, to sumarize this thread we have two groups:

Group 1: It is their right to store a rollerbag and their right to remove any non-rollerbag items from the overheads because they are entitled to bin space.

Group 2: It is their right to store whatever they want in the overheads and their right to refuse to put things under the seat in front of them because they are entitled to the bin space.


When did we all become so "entitled"? Use the golden rule and I think we'd all get along famously! I've personally never encountered anyone rude enough to remove my coat from the overhead without asking or my laptop bag (though usually I like that under the seat). I'm happy to let them take my coat out and put it back after they put their rollerboard in. We all are stuck on a crappy airplane in spaces that aren't even legal to keep war prisoners, so why not try and make it as enjoyable as possible.

If you moved mine I would just pull your rollaboard out and leave in the aisle. Making yourself the luggage police won't get you far with many passengers. If there were nothing but roller bags in the bins there would be no room left for others coats and briefcases. Just because I choose to only carry on a briefcase doesn't mean that you should get free and clear foot wells while I suffer with a bag beneath me.

My vote is every man, woman and child should fend for themselves. If you board late or the bins are full, tough luck.

This thread is hilarious.

Tell you all what, if the airlines start requiring people to put smaller items under the possibly nasty space in front of you, I would either get a cheap extra roller to put my laptop bag and coat into, or a bigger rolling laptop bag and check my luggage.

Problem solved.

Don't I exist?

I've advocated tags at check-in. One tag unless you're in a seat with no underseat stowage at which point you get two. If bin space runs out the untagged items come out. I want a fair system.

I like putting my laptop bag in front of me for easy/quick access.
I almost always put my roller board on top. The only time I didn't do this was on a UA 777 flight IAD DEN where I let another fellow pax put her stuff on top.

The good news is, we don't need bag police on the ground when it comes to confrontation. We already have REAL police on the ground to settle confrontations.

Hence most airlines policies that the bins are for roller bags and your under seat storage is your primary storage for personal items. Most of the people you talk about don't get free and clear foot wells while you are suffering, they have their personal items in their foot well, and their roller bag in the bin. It sounds like this take is that you think people should have to gate check, and get no foot well space, while you get all the foot well space at their expense. Why do people not understand the term "Sharing."

I usually only carry a brief case, and I put it in mu under seat primary storage. That is the airlines policy. It also allows for passengers who do have roller bags to put them in the overhead bins rather than gate checking. It�s just common courtesy to your fellow PAX. Where do people get this entitlement attitude that they should get whatever they want at the expense of others? I think that�s why the global economy is in ruins.

NWA's? I have never heard this expressed as their policy, and if it where, I would take my own advice as shown above.

UA? I avoid ORD at all costs, so I guess I wouldn't know?

FAA, Policy is 1 roller bag and 1 personal item. So 2 roller bags wouldn't work.

UAs policy is under seat is for personal items and overhead is for roller bags. The FAs do go around during boarding and stop people from putting personal items in the OH bins, or take them down and ask who�s it is and make them put it under the seat. They don't always catch everyone.

NWA does not announce a specific policy, but I have seen them take small bags down and make people put them under their seats.

Better watch out. Charging for Overhead Bin Use may be the 2009 Extra Charge the airlines come up with to make more $$$$

I see them also starting to putting advertising on them in the back near the lavs also. All for the love of the almighty $$$