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Old Nov 28, 2008 | 10:28 am
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Taxing to the gate vs being towed

How come some jets taxi themselves to their gate whie others get towed? I thought towing was only for planes going to maintenance or from maintenance/hangars to gate and vice versa.
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Old Nov 28, 2008 | 10:55 am
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My experience with tow-in gates is that they are generally at the inside edge of a terminal where there is very little room for error so the plane is towed in to ensure that it doesn't "miss" the correct location.
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Old Nov 28, 2008 | 11:03 am
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Nominally, it's a gate-specific issue. A gate is deemed a "tow-in" gate for the following possible reasons (and there may be more):

1. The taxi route from the hookup point to the gate is too circuitous for the pilot to safely maneuver.

2. The gate's location makes nearby aircraft/equipment/personnel abnormally vulnerable to jet blast if an aircraft were to taxi to it.

Alternatively, due to weather/personnel/safety considerations, a pilot may opt to be towed to a gate that is not necessarily restricted to tow-ins.
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Old Nov 28, 2008 | 7:56 pm
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Aren't there a couple of airlines that does this in order to save costs/environments? Can't remember which ones...
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Old Nov 28, 2008 | 11:33 pm
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I could swear 80 percent of a/c arrivals at those antiquated terminals at LAX are tow-ins. You would be lucky if you are on some RJ or turboprop to arrive at a gate without towing.
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 12:07 pm
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Originally Posted by heffa
Aren't there a couple of airlines that does this in order to save costs/environments? Can't remember which ones...
I think Branson was trying to push that a while back, don't think it ever took off. Seems like a pretty reasonable idea to me, even if the cost savings were small. With little or no takeoff line, the savings would probably add up.
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Old Dec 7, 2008 | 10:20 pm
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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 12:20 am
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I think Branson was trying to push that a while back, don't think it ever took off. Seems like a pretty reasonable idea to me, even if the cost savings were small. With little or no takeoff line, the savings would probably add up.
VS did try this towing method, which was called "Starting Grid" in which the plane is towed from the stand to an area located within 10 minutes before takeoff to start engines thereby conserving CO2 emissions. The method did not take off because tests determined that towing a plane that long a distance put too much stress on the front landing gear. What many airlines do now after pushback from the stand is to start with one engine, power out and taxi then start the rest of the engines while taxiing close to takeoff position in order to save fuel.
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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 8:19 pm
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Originally Posted by tonywestsider
What many airlines do now after pushback from the stand is to start with one engine, power out and taxi then start the rest of the engines while taxiing close to takeoff position in order to save fuel.
Likewise, they may power off one engine after landing and taxi to the terminal on one engine.

This, BTW, is the source of the loud "barking" noise on Airbus jets. When running on one engine, a transfer pump runs to keep the hydraulic system powered by the inactive engine pressurized. This pump makes a heck of a racket.
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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 11:56 pm
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I flew into LAX a few months ago and we got towed in, the pilot said they always get towed at LAX
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