Will the dollar collapse?
#16
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As a democratic party voter, I doubt a new president is going to help much. Getting out of Iraq and refunding the government may change the situation, but both of those things may take 10-12 years, and the next president will be in office 4-8. Of course, Clinton took the US out of debt and into economic growth, but I think that was due to the tech industry and not anything in the Oval Office.
#17
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Wrong. The US National Debt increased EVERY SINGLE YEAR during the Clinton administration. It is increasing even faster under Bush but it did increase every year Clinton was in office.
http://www.swivel.com/data_columns/s...ion=ASC&page=3
http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm
http://www.swivel.com/data_columns/s...ion=ASC&page=3
http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm
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Thankfully Argentina is still a travel bargain for Americans (steak dinner, salad, fries and beer - 18 pesos, slightly less than $6). Also thankfully, the masses haven't and probably won't figure this out. Selfish? Maybe!
If we could only make America a more welcome place for non-American travelers, our tourism industry would be rolling in the dough.
If we could only make America a more welcome place for non-American travelers, our tourism industry would be rolling in the dough.
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One thing this Government seems to have forgotten is that Travel and Tourism is now the Western Worlds Largest Industry. Until they stop treating Visitors to The USA the same as Criminals arriving in Jails then there is going to be this continued reluctance to visit and spend the much needed foreign currency in the USA which is assisting in the currency deficit.
I once recall somebody in the Central Florida area remarking that every new Hotel room created 4 new jobs, not just in the hotel, but housing, schools, transportation, shopping, theme parks etc.
Has anybody thought that the slow down in Travel and Tourism caused by the Gestapo style arrival and security systems, may have the exacerbated downturn in the housing market.
Whilst European Visitors are reluctant to visit USA their vacations to UAE are increasing at an enourmous rate. Seems they feel more comfortable and safer with The Arabs than the Yanks.
I once recall somebody in the Central Florida area remarking that every new Hotel room created 4 new jobs, not just in the hotel, but housing, schools, transportation, shopping, theme parks etc.
Has anybody thought that the slow down in Travel and Tourism caused by the Gestapo style arrival and security systems, may have the exacerbated downturn in the housing market.
Whilst European Visitors are reluctant to visit USA their vacations to UAE are increasing at an enourmous rate. Seems they feel more comfortable and safer with The Arabs than the Yanks.
#23




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In that spirit, I'll point out that the National Debt as a percentage of GDP decreased dramatically under Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson. It decreased slightly under Nixon, Ford, and Carter. It increased dramatically under Reagan and GHW Bush, decreased under Clinton, and is increasing under GW Bush.
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
Last edited by telloh; Sep 21, 2007 at 8:47 am
#24

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What's up? The USA has GOT to seem inexpensive to Brits and other Europeans.
#25


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>Once a new president is in and a real economic strategy is put in
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As an outsider looking in, I think the problem is the USA, as a nation, isn't really ready to do what needs to done for a 'real economic strategy.'
1) You need to run balanced budgets, from the municipal to state to federal level.
2) You need to pay down your giant debts.
You can't really belt tighten more than you already have - Bridges are falling down, schools are falling down, people are using ERs as their doctors offices etc.
So the only solution I can see for the US to balance your budgets and pay down your debts is to raise taxes, either income taxes, or, more likely, a national consumption sales tax.
Canada went through this in the early 90s. Everyone hated our consumption tax, but now the budgets are balanced.
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Cheers,
Geoff Glave
Vancouver, Canada
<flame suit>
As an outsider looking in, I think the problem is the USA, as a nation, isn't really ready to do what needs to done for a 'real economic strategy.'
1) You need to run balanced budgets, from the municipal to state to federal level.
2) You need to pay down your giant debts.
You can't really belt tighten more than you already have - Bridges are falling down, schools are falling down, people are using ERs as their doctors offices etc.
So the only solution I can see for the US to balance your budgets and pay down your debts is to raise taxes, either income taxes, or, more likely, a national consumption sales tax.
Canada went through this in the early 90s. Everyone hated our consumption tax, but now the budgets are balanced.
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Cheers,
Geoff Glave
Vancouver, Canada
#26




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Debt spending is like that. It feels great when you get both your tax cuts and public spending, but it only goes so far before it catches up to you.
Just as it's (fiscally, if not socially) irresponsible to eat out in expensive restaurants and buy big-ticket televisions and cars while with maxed-out credit cards and going paycheque to paycheque, it's socially irresponsible to cut taxes, while maintaining military spending at whatever stratospheric number it is, and increase the debt while at it, with no plan to raise the money back.
Just as it's (fiscally, if not socially) irresponsible to eat out in expensive restaurants and buy big-ticket televisions and cars while with maxed-out credit cards and going paycheque to paycheque, it's socially irresponsible to cut taxes, while maintaining military spending at whatever stratospheric number it is, and increase the debt while at it, with no plan to raise the money back.
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Debt spending is like that. It feels great when you get both your tax cuts and public spending, but it only goes so far before it catches up to you.
Just as it's (fiscally, if not socially) irresponsible to eat out in expensive restaurants and buy big-ticket televisions and cars while with maxed-out credit cards and going paycheque to paycheque, it's socially irresponsible to cut taxes, while maintaining military spending at whatever stratospheric number it is, and increase the debt while at it, with no plan to raise the money back.
Just as it's (fiscally, if not socially) irresponsible to eat out in expensive restaurants and buy big-ticket televisions and cars while with maxed-out credit cards and going paycheque to paycheque, it's socially irresponsible to cut taxes, while maintaining military spending at whatever stratospheric number it is, and increase the debt while at it, with no plan to raise the money back.
It is painful to travel in Europe and most other places when the US$ is as weak as it is today. Personally that did not stop me from taking vacation overseas. The curse of a weak $ has a blessing. As an investor, I over allocate portfolio with international equity, particularly China. That has more than compensated for the loss due to $ weakness.
As for the discussions about social & fiscal responsibilities, tax cuts and national deficit; and how we should not eat out; and the blame game etc.... All that belong to another forum.
Just my 2c.
#28
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Explain this to me: Bush/Bernanke print zillions of greenbacks to finance the federal deficit. The value of the USD is going into the tank. The price of gold, copper, gasoline and other commodities is rising to make up for the dollar's decreased value. At this rate, eventually I will have the privilege of paying off my mortgage with wheelbarrows full of dollars that are worth about as much as World War I Reichsmarks. So why is the value of my house going down?
#29




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Very well, I'll stay on topic.
It makes my travel planning that much easier, since there's even more incentive to go stateside for my shopping and frivolous jaunts. Currency changes go both ways.
Perhaps it's time for Americans to look inward for their travelling needs.
It makes my travel planning that much easier, since there's even more incentive to go stateside for my shopping and frivolous jaunts. Currency changes go both ways.
Perhaps it's time for Americans to look inward for their travelling needs.
#30




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Explain this to me: Bush/Bernanke print zillions of greenbacks to finance the federal deficit. The value of the USD is going into the tank. The price of gold, copper, gasoline and other commodities is rising to make up for the dollar's decreased value. At this rate, eventually I will have the privilege of paying off my mortgage with wheelbarrows full of dollars that are worth about as much as World War I Reichsmarks. So why is the value of my house going down?


