US transit visa issue and not allowed on flight
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I think the upthread post regarding the fact that some/many of our airports don't have the neccesary design features is answer enough.
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Quite simple- I would address it the same way every single country in the world has adressed it.
It's called "airside transfer".
This issue has been dealt with using a nuclear option and it is hurting the image of the US abroad. I'll grant you that "retarded" is inappropriate. Asinine is a better word.
It's called "airside transfer".
This issue has been dealt with using a nuclear option and it is hurting the image of the US abroad. I'll grant you that "retarded" is inappropriate. Asinine is a better word.
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Serious travel agents should subscribe to the IATA TIM (travel information manual). It is published monthly and contains not only visa but also vaccination requirements. See:
http://www.newconcepts.ca/tim.htm
http://www.newconcepts.ca/tim.htm
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How about making a start by abolishing the need to pass immigration on transit in those airports that took the effort and provide a dedicated international facility. To avoid confusion I guess a visa would still be required for passengers from non VW-countries, but it would save a lot of hassle on transit anyway.
There are nicer ways to spend one's transit between 2 long flights than standing in line for immigration into a country you don't even intend to enter
Almost every other country I've been to requires outgoing passengers to pass immigration both on entry en on exit, giving them a much better degree of control on overstays ; in the case of the US it's all to common for visitors departures not to be registered ; you don't even get a stamp in your passport to prove you've left.
I've spent extra money for direct flights Europe to Latin America so as to avoid US transits because of this issue (made worse be the fingerprinting requirement). I'm sure I'm not the only one.
I notice Air Canada is introducing direct flights Vancouver to Sydney, Air New Zealand's main route to Europe now transits at Hong-Kong instead of LAX, most passengers for Tahiti will now transit through Japan,...
A few years ago I talked to French passengers on a plane from Easter Island to Tahiti. For them one of the advantages of this roundabout route was that they could avoid US immigration (even though this route requires passing Chilean immigration at SCL, and exiting at IPC).
I think these issue will end up losing the US tourism industry and US airlines a lot of money and goodwill until it is corrected.
There are nicer ways to spend one's transit between 2 long flights than standing in line for immigration into a country you don't even intend to enter
Almost every other country I've been to requires outgoing passengers to pass immigration both on entry en on exit, giving them a much better degree of control on overstays ; in the case of the US it's all to common for visitors departures not to be registered ; you don't even get a stamp in your passport to prove you've left.
I've spent extra money for direct flights Europe to Latin America so as to avoid US transits because of this issue (made worse be the fingerprinting requirement). I'm sure I'm not the only one.
I notice Air Canada is introducing direct flights Vancouver to Sydney, Air New Zealand's main route to Europe now transits at Hong-Kong instead of LAX, most passengers for Tahiti will now transit through Japan,...
A few years ago I talked to French passengers on a plane from Easter Island to Tahiti. For them one of the advantages of this roundabout route was that they could avoid US immigration (even though this route requires passing Chilean immigration at SCL, and exiting at IPC).
I think these issue will end up losing the US tourism industry and US airlines a lot of money and goodwill until it is corrected.
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Sorry, that doesn't sound very simple to me. You are aware how US airports are laid out, aren't you? The only way this would work would be to put all international flights in ONE terminal at every US airport. That's not going to happen. Billions and billions of dollars are not going to be spent redesigning US airports so that French people can visit Tahiti more easily. It's very simplistic to point to other countries with one (or two) international airports and say, "if they can do it, then so can we." The sheer number of international flights and airports does not make this feasible. Given all this, do you have any other suggestions?
If someone is going to say that all pax on flights taking off in the US have to be screened in the US: those pax are already on aircraft in US airspace before landing, so what's the difference?
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HNL used to offer sterile airside transit for quite some time.
I don't recall what year it was eliminated (I am guessing after 9/11).
FWIW, I've travelled through HNL as an international transit passenger. I was allowed to deplane, was kept in a sterile transit zone, and re-boarded the aircraft without having to clear security. This was ~1995.
HNL does have a limited facility / infrastucture for intl sterile airside transit, but cannot use it any longer thanks to new US laws.
I don't recall what year it was eliminated (I am guessing after 9/11).
FWIW, I've travelled through HNL as an international transit passenger. I was allowed to deplane, was kept in a sterile transit zone, and re-boarded the aircraft without having to clear security. This was ~1995.
HNL does have a limited facility / infrastucture for intl sterile airside transit, but cannot use it any longer thanks to new US laws.
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I am surprised at Air Canada's response on the SYD-YVR route. Up until recently (Xmas), Air Canada would deny the boarding of the passeger and advise them to go to the US Consulate in Sydney and get the transit Visa, they would then rebook on the next flight 2 days later.
I have been in the US consulate in Sydney and have witnessed passengers apply for this transit Visa and the two cases I earsdropped on had theirs issued same day in the afternoon.
I am sorry Air Canada did not offer this route to the passenger as an option. It is not Air Canada's responsibility to ensure passengers have the correct Visa but it is their responsibility to ensure their passengers travel with the correct documentation.
I am a strong advocate of changing this route back to SYD-Fiji-Vancouver (like the old CP Air days). This would avoid this US nonsense.
I have been in the US consulate in Sydney and have witnessed passengers apply for this transit Visa and the two cases I earsdropped on had theirs issued same day in the afternoon.
I am sorry Air Canada did not offer this route to the passenger as an option. It is not Air Canada's responsibility to ensure passengers have the correct Visa but it is their responsibility to ensure their passengers travel with the correct documentation.
I am a strong advocate of changing this route back to SYD-Fiji-Vancouver (like the old CP Air days). This would avoid this US nonsense.

