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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 12:41 pm
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Originally Posted by tjl
What is a "standard" passenger weight? Does it vary based on the origin and destination of the flight?
According to AC 120.27:
STANDARD AVERAGE PASSENGER WEIGHTS WITH CARRY-ON

Standard Average Passenger Weight / Weight Per Passenger

Summer Weights
Average adult passenger weight 190 lb
Average adult male passenger weight 200 lb
Average adult female passenger weight 179 lb
Child weight (2 years to less than 13 years of age) 82 lb

Winter Weights
Average adult passenger weight 195 lb
Average adult male passenger weight 205 lb
Average adult female passenger weight 184 lb
Child weight (2 years to less than 13 years of age) 87 lb

AVERAGE PASSENGER WEIGHTS WITHOUT CARRY-ON BAG PROGRAM

Average Passenger Weight / Weight Per Passenger

Summer Weights
Average passenger weight 184 lb
Average male passenger weight 194 lb
Average female passenger weight 173 lb
Child weight (2 years to less than 13 years of age) 76 lb

Winter Weights
Average passenger weight 189 lb
Average male passenger weight 199 lb
Average female passenger weight 178 lb
Child weight (2 years to less than 13 years of age) 81 lb
Hey, I'm above average!
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 12:52 pm
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I was on a KLM flight this summer AMS-JFK on a 747-400. Apparently there were some horses in the cargo area and they were moving around too much in their crates causing an uneven balance. They had to remove them from the cargo area before taking off.
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 2:26 pm
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Originally Posted by mahasamatman
According to AC 120.27:

Average passenger weight 184 lb
Average male passenger weight 194 lb
Average female passenger weight 173 lb
I take it these are supposed to be conservative? Seems quite heavy, even for people in the US.
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 3:02 pm
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Originally Posted by tjl
I take it these are supposed to be conservative? Seems quite heavy, even for people in the US.
You'd have to ask the FAA for their reasoning. Don't forget this includes clothing (which is why winter weights are greater) and personal items.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 3:25 am
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Originally Posted by tjl
I take it these are supposed to be conservative? Seems quite heavy, even for people in the US.
I agree, look at the weight for the avg. female...
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 4:55 am
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Originally Posted by tjl
Remember the incident when the Jet Blue A320 plane was flying around the Los Angeles area with the nose wheel stuck down and sideways? While the plane was flying around to burn up fuel, the flight attendants had the passengers move themselves and their carryon baggage to the seats in the back of the plane.
That's a different situation than your normal weight and balance stuff. Another words, if this was a normal flight flown to it's originally intended destination, the passengers would not have had to move aft with their luggage as the aircraft burned up fuel during the cross-country flight. The passengers were moved to reduce weight near the front and lessen the pressure on the malfunctioning nose gear upon landing.

Just for fun, I'd like to see the pilots' reaction on a flight if I can get all the passengers on something like an A340-600 (loooooong) to run to the back of the plane all at once...
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 5:05 am
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Originally Posted by Indurain
That's a different situation than your normal weight and balance stuff. Another words, if this was a normal flight flown to it's originally intended destination, the passengers would not have had to move aft with their luggage as the aircraft burned up fuel during the cross-country flight. The passengers were moved to reduce weight near the front and lessen the pressure on the malfunctioning nose gear upon landing.

Just for fun, I'd like to see the pilots' reaction on a flight if I can get all the passengers on something like an A340-600 (loooooong) to run to the back of the plane all at once...
Let see, the plane would start to tilt backwards...and at take off you would have a steep departure...would the nose ever touch down, if everyone sat in the back...
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 2:35 pm
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poor weight balancing lead to that CRJ crashing into a building at the end of the runway.

if this was done on a narrowbody mainline, i'd be really suprised that E+ pax would make that much of a difference.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 10:28 pm
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On an IAD-SFO A320 flight today which had a full first and an empty economy section, the crew made an announcement requesting economy passengers *not* move up to premium economy on their own to keep the weight balanced.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 11:46 pm
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Originally Posted by Indurain
Just for fun, I'd like to see the pilots' reaction on a flight if I can get all the passengers on something like an A340-600 (loooooong) to run to the back of the plane all at once...
LOL, that reminds me of that urban legend about the Stanford Band being banned from United because they all decided to run onto one side of the plane mid-flight
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 12:04 am
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Originally Posted by tjl
I take it these are supposed to be conservative? Seems quite heavy, even for people in the US.
When doing a weight and balance sheet we typically do not differentiate between male and female pax. Not to mention the standard weight varies from airline to airline and usually includes 20-25 lbs for carry-ons. At one airline that I worked for the standard weight was 210 lbs for adults and 70 for kids.
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 12:08 am
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LOL, that reminds me of that urban legend about the Stanford Band being banned from United because they all decided to run onto one side of the plane mid-flight
I'd be scared if someone managed to convince everyone to jump midflight.
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 12:33 am
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Since this thread has drifted from a UA one to a more general one, I am moving it to Travel Buzz!. Thanks for your understanding.

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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 10:09 am
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Once got on some strange looking plane at EIS for SJU. 4 small engines, tricycle gear, rear entrance 1&1 or 1&2 seating on a long fusalage.

Everybody sat from the rear door forward. The plane tipped back on its' tail.

Pilot came out and requested people move forward(uphill). Later, I was reading their magazine, and the front inside sheet had a picture of the pilot. he was the president of the company.
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 11:57 am
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I remember the old B727, they always put the rear stairs down for support when parked to prevent the plane from tilting on it's tail...

Once I was on B737, the front part of plane was quite open and more crowded toward the back. During taxi the pilots called to request kid count, then asked how many open seats there were in F/C. Then said " Fill them up!" We had to scramble to find some lucky winners to fill up F/C and got them settled in 5 seconds.
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