Airplane balance
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STANDARD AVERAGE PASSENGER WEIGHTS WITH CARRY-ON
Standard Average Passenger Weight / Weight Per Passenger
Summer Weights
Average adult passenger weight 190 lb
Average adult male passenger weight 200 lb
Average adult female passenger weight 179 lb
Child weight (2 years to less than 13 years of age) 82 lb
Winter Weights
Average adult passenger weight 195 lb
Average adult male passenger weight 205 lb
Average adult female passenger weight 184 lb
Child weight (2 years to less than 13 years of age) 87 lb
AVERAGE PASSENGER WEIGHTS WITHOUT CARRY-ON BAG PROGRAM
Average Passenger Weight / Weight Per Passenger
Summer Weights
Average passenger weight 184 lb
Average male passenger weight 194 lb
Average female passenger weight 173 lb
Child weight (2 years to less than 13 years of age) 76 lb
Winter Weights
Average passenger weight 189 lb
Average male passenger weight 199 lb
Average female passenger weight 178 lb
Child weight (2 years to less than 13 years of age) 81 lb
Standard Average Passenger Weight / Weight Per Passenger
Summer Weights
Average adult passenger weight 190 lb
Average adult male passenger weight 200 lb
Average adult female passenger weight 179 lb
Child weight (2 years to less than 13 years of age) 82 lb
Winter Weights
Average adult passenger weight 195 lb
Average adult male passenger weight 205 lb
Average adult female passenger weight 184 lb
Child weight (2 years to less than 13 years of age) 87 lb
AVERAGE PASSENGER WEIGHTS WITHOUT CARRY-ON BAG PROGRAM
Average Passenger Weight / Weight Per Passenger
Summer Weights
Average passenger weight 184 lb
Average male passenger weight 194 lb
Average female passenger weight 173 lb
Child weight (2 years to less than 13 years of age) 76 lb
Winter Weights
Average passenger weight 189 lb
Average male passenger weight 199 lb
Average female passenger weight 178 lb
Child weight (2 years to less than 13 years of age) 81 lb
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I was on a KLM flight this summer AMS-JFK on a 747-400. Apparently there were some horses in the cargo area and they were moving around too much in their crates causing an uneven balance. They had to remove them from the cargo area before taking off.
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Remember the incident when the Jet Blue A320 plane was flying around the Los Angeles area with the nose wheel stuck down and sideways? While the plane was flying around to burn up fuel, the flight attendants had the passengers move themselves and their carryon baggage to the seats in the back of the plane.
Just for fun, I'd like to see the pilots' reaction on a flight if I can get all the passengers on something like an A340-600 (loooooong) to run to the back of the plane all at once...
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That's a different situation than your normal weight and balance stuff. Another words, if this was a normal flight flown to it's originally intended destination, the passengers would not have had to move aft with their luggage as the aircraft burned up fuel during the cross-country flight. The passengers were moved to reduce weight near the front and lessen the pressure on the malfunctioning nose gear upon landing.
Just for fun, I'd like to see the pilots' reaction on a flight if I can get all the passengers on something like an A340-600 (loooooong) to run to the back of the plane all at once...
Just for fun, I'd like to see the pilots' reaction on a flight if I can get all the passengers on something like an A340-600 (loooooong) to run to the back of the plane all at once...
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poor weight balancing lead to that CRJ crashing into a building at the end of the runway.
if this was done on a narrowbody mainline, i'd be really suprised that E+ pax would make that much of a difference.
if this was done on a narrowbody mainline, i'd be really suprised that E+ pax would make that much of a difference.
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On an IAD-SFO A320 flight today which had a full first and an empty economy section, the crew made an announcement requesting economy passengers *not* move up to premium economy on their own to keep the weight balanced.
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LOL, that reminds me of that urban legend about the Stanford Band being banned from United because they all decided to run onto one side of the plane mid-flight
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When doing a weight and balance sheet we typically do not differentiate between male and female pax. Not to mention the standard weight varies from airline to airline and usually includes 20-25 lbs for carry-ons. At one airline that I worked for the standard weight was 210 lbs for adults and 70 for kids.
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Once got on some strange looking plane at EIS for SJU. 4 small engines, tricycle gear, rear entrance 1&1 or 1&2 seating on a long fusalage.
Everybody sat from the rear door forward. The plane tipped back on its' tail.
Pilot came out and requested people move forward(uphill). Later, I was reading their magazine, and the front inside sheet had a picture of the pilot. he was the president of the company.
Everybody sat from the rear door forward. The plane tipped back on its' tail.
Pilot came out and requested people move forward(uphill). Later, I was reading their magazine, and the front inside sheet had a picture of the pilot. he was the president of the company.
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I remember the old B727, they always put the rear stairs down for support when parked to prevent the plane from tilting on it's tail...
Once I was on B737, the front part of plane was quite open and more crowded toward the back. During taxi the pilots called to request kid count, then asked how many open seats there were in F/C. Then said " Fill them up!" We had to scramble to find some lucky winners to fill up F/C and got them settled in 5 seconds.
Once I was on B737, the front part of plane was quite open and more crowded toward the back. During taxi the pilots called to request kid count, then asked how many open seats there were in F/C. Then said " Fill them up!" We had to scramble to find some lucky winners to fill up F/C and got them settled in 5 seconds.

