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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 6:19 pm
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Originally Posted by WillTravel
Exactly how much strength and coordination is required to operate the exit doors? This has never been clear to me.

I don't know how exactly you quantify it, but you need to be able to lift about 30-40 lbs with arms a bit extended out in front of you, then rotate your body and the 40 lbs being held in your arms to tilt the door down and throw it through the opening it just came out of.

It's not a triathlon but it's not trivial either.
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 1:00 am
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That is about right for the window exit. They weigh about 50 pounds, actually. I just had to whip one around last week in recurrent training. As for the doors, some are quite heavy (older aircraft), and on the flip side, doors on the newer aircraft mostly have power assist, but are more complicated to figure out. Every aircraft is different.
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 8:12 am
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A large person is not required to wait for all the small people to exit the airplane before exiting himself in an emergency.

A passenger in an exit row is not required to whip the removable window panel out of the opening so fast that he crushes his fingers between the panel panel and the fuselage opening. In some cases the window panel is supposed to be dropped into the next seat row rather than outside where it could fall onto and damage the inflatable raft

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An airline may do well to notice if some passengers are too large to fit through certain exits. Long range planning would include seating those passengers where their "nearest" exit is a large exit.

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Old Aug 8, 2005 | 7:47 am
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I know its not feasible to do a practice run onboard, but it woudl be nice if the airport lobby had a mock-up of the escape hatch door that you could open to see how heavy it is, how to do it, etc.
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Old Aug 8, 2005 | 12:07 pm
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I asked a simular question of a flight attendant regarding drinking and exit rows. Here's the answer.

Thanks for the great responses. My question is regarding serving pax drinks in exit rows. Over a year ago on a flight from Florida to DTW, I was seated in an exit row, aisle seat. The man in the middle seat had at least 5 drinks, then fell asleep leaning heavily against me for the rest of the flight. There was no way he could have helped in an emergency. Any thoughts?

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The exit row is a funny thing. The pax just has to be aware of its operation and agree to help should the need arise. Beyond that you are free to drink what you like. There are no regulations regarding that.

I know there are a lot of people that take Ambien and sit in an exit row (or Ambien and alcohol). They will certainly not be a help. The best you can do is hope that a couple of people around them or coherent enough to figure things out.
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Old Aug 8, 2005 | 1:05 pm
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Originally Posted by AllanJ
A large person is not required to wait for all the small people to exit the airplane before exiting himself in an emergency.

A passenger in an exit row is not required to whip the removable window panel out of the opening so fast that he crushes his fingers between the panel panel and the fuselage opening. In some cases the window panel is supposed to be dropped into the next seat row rather than outside where it could fall onto and damage the inflatable raft
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I thought people in the Air France threads were saying that it's better to throw the door out the window, rather than putting it on the seat as the diagrams illustrate. The reason is supposed to be that puttig it on the chair might let it get in the way off exiting passengers. Also, throwing it out the now opened exit is faster than trying to place it gently in your seat, especially when people next you are rushing to get out.
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Old Aug 8, 2005 | 1:42 pm
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One needs to be able to understand and oeprate the different unlocking and opening mechanisms used on different aircraft, and on window exits, to physically pick up and move (toss outside or place across eats) hatches that may weigh over 50 lbs / 23 kg. One needs to be able to listen to and relay various orders / communications, to help passengers' egress, and ideally shoud be able to help quell disorder and panic. One should be able to assist with other, realted operations - opening doors, deploying and stabilizing slides and asssisting people in using them. This is a partial summary - the actual requirements are documented and differ for each aircraft type and configuration, of course.

And much of the time, a quick eyeball glance does not tell you if the exit seat occupant is capable or not. Someone in stunning physical condition may freeze or panic in emergencies, someone who may not look "proper" (especially if we deploy our stereotypes to filter our observations,) may be quite capable. I've sat with fit people who couldn't pay undivided attention to a locomotive bearing down on them and displayed the sentience of a disconnected electric waffle iron, as well as with elders in their 70's who were trained in handling emergencies and could easily maneuver the hatch and be of invaluabel assistance.

I like exit seats - not only because I am large (6'4") and really value the space, but for self-preservation - as a trained emergency responder and rescue diver (we are required to assess and intervene in a number of emergency scenarios,) quite able to operate emergency hatches and all that, I believe I can be of help if the occasin ever offered itself - I hope it never does, but things happen and I've participated or carried out several rescues whilst on holidays.

But not to worry, I'll use my Etymotics, toss down a depressant or two with a half-dozen alcoholic drinks so I won't be bothered by the ruckus...

Originally Posted by WillTravel
Exactly how much strength and coordination is required to operate the exit doors? This has never been clear to me.
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Old Aug 8, 2005 | 1:44 pm
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In spite of the many (but not universal by any means) safety cards illustrating the "on seat" hatch placement, many agree tossing the hatch out clear of the fuselage / wing is the most expedient way of handling it.

AF had a surfeit of cabin crew, fortunately, but only evacuated with four of eight emergency exits (reasons have not been determined as yet).

Originally Posted by rhwbullhead
I thought people in the Air France threads were saying that it's better to throw the door out the window, rather than putting it on the seat as the diagrams illustrate. The reason is supposed to be that puttig it on the chair might let it get in the way off exiting passengers. Also, throwing it out the now opened exit is faster than trying to place it gently in your seat, especially when people next you are rushing to get out.
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