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Canarsie Jun 16, 2005 10:01 pm

Revenge.
 
Traveling on a regular basis in and of itself poses its own set of stress and problems: going through security, checking whether or not one’s flight is on time, hoping the weather cooperates, choosing the proper hotel in which to stay, etc. Additional unexpected problems can further exacerbate one’s travel experience. During my travels, whenever someone or something caused by someone bothers me, I typically either ignore it, chalk it up to experience or shrug it off.

However, there are times where the inconsiderate perpetrator needs to be taught a lesson. I do not believe in violence or other drastic measures, but sometimes a situation arises where one knows that simply asking the perpetrator to stop will result in either no viable solution to the problem at hand or perhaps even worsen the problem. Revenge is simply not my style and I am not particularly proud of myself when I exact revenge on someone else, but on rare occasions I find it to be absolutely necessary.

The purpose of this thread is dedicated to innovative, creative ideas and methods of exacting fairly harmless (yet satisfying) revenge on thoughtless perpetrators who carelessly infringe upon other peoples’ rights of problem-free travel with no regard as to the consequences of their actions upon other people, whether it be in a hotel room, on an airplane during flight, in an airport waiting to depart, while driving a rental car, while going through security, during dinner, etc.

Please list your ideas, comments, situations and/or experiences in this thread. Clearly adding a title to your dish of sweet revenge would be helpful for other FlyerTalk members to identify with the content of the milepost.

I will start...

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What’s Your “Hang-Up”?: The Hotel Room Telephone Constantly Ringing Revenge

When I am in a hotel room for the night, I usually enjoy peace and quiet without incident. However, on occasion, I sometimes find myself unlucky enough to be next to a room where the inconsiderate guest(s) will blatantly do one or more of the following at inexcusably late hours with no regard whatsoever for other guests (such as myself) who are trying to fall asleep:
  • Yell or talk loudly on the telephone or to each other
  • Unnecessarily increase the volume of their television or radio for extended periods of time
  • Constantly laugh loudly
  • Continuously enter and exit their room while allowing the door to slam loudly and uncontrollably
  • Bang into or drag around their furniture.
Usually, a fairly reliable theorem is that those who stay up late and cause these problems usually sleep late the next morning.

If calls to the front desk are futile and produce no results in terms of resolving the matter at hand and nothing else works, what I will do as revenge is wake up early the next morning, pick up the telephone and call the room of the offending guest(s). By the way, I always ensure that I am calling the correct room. I press my ear against the wall to the next room to monitor movement of the guest(s). I then hang up the telephone by quietly using my finger at the exact second the telephone receiver is picked up in the next room. I listen through the wall as the guest usually mutters “Hello. Hello?” while half asleep and then hangs up.

I will give a couple of minutes and do something (such as wash up, brush my teeth, etc.) to give the guest a chance to lay back down in bed and go back to sleep before I repeat the same procedure above. Once again, the guest says “Hello. Hello?” and then hangs up.

I then immediately call back and repeat the procedure again. By this time the guest starts to become irritated: “Hello. Hello!” and then hangs up in sheer frustration.

I do this several more times while randomly varying the time between telephone calls to keep the guest off-guard, always ensuring that the telephone continuously rings before “coincidentally” hanging up the second the guest answers the telephone: “Hello! HELLO!!!” and then slams the receiver of the telephone in absolute disgust.

An added bonus is when there is more than one guest in the room and they discuss the telephone situation in disgust and in desperation, not knowing if the telephone is merely malfunctioning. Usually, this does not require an ear pressed against the wall, as they will usually be as loud during their discussion as they were the night before.

At worst, I leave the room that morning satisfied with exacting harmless payback against an inconsiderate offender. At best, I have ruined their morning and possibly their day.

By the way, depending on the situation, this idea could also work well before going to sleep or, better yet, during the middle of the night if one finds that one cannot go to sleep due to the selfishly inconsiderate acts of the perpetrator.

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Please share your harmless (or virtually harmless, anyway) acts of revenge related to travel in this thread.

Kiwi Flyer Jun 16, 2005 10:08 pm

canarsie exacting revenge :eek: I must be misreading or someone else is using his account.

slippahs Jun 16, 2005 10:17 pm

So you're the one who called me five times during my brief stay at the Sheraton at 4 in the morning! :mad:

RichardInSF Jun 16, 2005 10:29 pm

How about wishful revenge?

Just back from China, and I sure wish I knew enough Mandarin to be able to try to sell my Timex to one of those wristwatch sales guys! Come to think of it, they usually have learned a little English, maybe I'll try it next time.

Canarsie Jun 16, 2005 10:39 pm


Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
canarsie exacting revenge :eek: I must be misreading or someone else is using his account.

Actually, it is extremely rare that I ever consider exacting revenge on anyone. I am still the same nice guy with excruciating puns and a sense of humour that, quite frankly, could be classified as torturous inuhumane revenge in its own right.

However, I thought to myself that I cannot be the only person who on rare occasions gets pushed to the edge to the point of thinking about ideas of revenge. I thought I would call upon the FlyerTalk community to come up with their own ideas.

Originally Posted by slippahs
So you're the one who called me five times during my brief stay at the Sheraton at 4 in the morning! :mad:

Well, what in the world were you doing in that room anyway, slippahs?!?

Originally Posted by RichardInSF
How about wishful revenge?

Just back from China, and I sure wish I knew enough Mandarin to be able to try to sell my Timex to one of those wristwatch sales guys! Come to think of it, they usually have learned a little English, maybe I'll try it next time.

That is absolutely acceptable, RichardInSF.

In fact, for those FlyerTalk members who choose to do so, please also post your thoughts of wishful revenge as well that you would never even think of exacting on anyone else.

plat Jun 16, 2005 11:36 pm

For those rude row-mates who impose themselves into your space on the plane (sticking their legs, arms over into your place etc), you can exact some revenge by releasing some silent-but-deadly flatulence :eek: Of course, this could have potentially harmful effects for others seated nearby so that should be of some consideration. Also, immediately afterwards, you should look around accusingly particularly at your intended victim

csuxv1 Jun 17, 2005 5:58 am

I hate people who hand out flyers. Especially the ones that follow you until you do take a ticket.

Keep taking flyers off them until they decide they have had enough. Then hand them back to them.

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Shop assistants who follow you around the shore when you ask them not to.

Pick up a shopping basket or trolley and fill it up to the top. Walk to the till and remove the one item that you want and pay for that leaving the trolley there. Or just leaving everything there and walkign out.

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Tailors asking if you want a suit made in HK.

Follow them round and ask them to make a suit for your (select item of choice) water bottle etc. Acting serious about it and haggle with them for a while.

Athena53 Jun 17, 2005 5:59 am

Two thoughts: in a thread on mugging, someone suggested carying a cheap wallet with a few $ worth of local currency and a bunch of those stupid fake credit cards you get with credit card solicitations in the mail. Their suggestion was to throw it out on the street and run madly in the opposite direction if mugged. I'm thinking of just keeping one in my back pocket to attract pickpockets on crowded subways. By the time they get out at the next stop and check their "winnings", I'll be out of range.

I once complained to my husband about a woman near me on a plane making a very loud seatback-phone call to a recruiter about a position in her company she was trying to fill. Gave all the details, then asked that it be kept confidential. He said I should have made a fake call from my seatback phone to a fake recruiter along the lines of, "Ed- you know how much you've been wanting t place someone at (Company name)? Well, there's a Financial Analyst position open. Just call (passenger name) and she'll give you the details."

bigguyinpasadena Jun 17, 2005 6:08 am

Both of these "revenge"schemes may have consequences harmful(well,annoying really)to inocent folks.Hotel rooms usually have two nieghboring rooms-yours-and some other person who not only had to put up with the late night noise,but now has two deal with 2 sets of fools creating havoc.
As to the flatulence,well as mentioned-you are in a small enclosed poorly ventilated space-and extracring revenge on one"offender"will cause discomfort for many around you.
But of course The Bush regieme has been doing this for a few years now.

USA_flyer Jun 17, 2005 7:09 am

There's always the quiet word with the TSA "*cough* excuse me sir, I couldn't help but notice that the passenger over there looked like they had something sharp in their carry-on. It might be worth taking a look just to make sure." :D

l etoile Jun 17, 2005 8:08 am

This falls into the wishful category ...

I was in a rental car queue at some airport when the guy in front of me decides he doesn't want to wait, but also doesn't want to give up his space in line. So he leaves his backpack in front of me as a placeholder, expecting me to move it along, I suppose, while he runs off to other rental car company desks looking for another car. I was so tempted to call security and have them take away the unattended bag ...

studentff Jun 17, 2005 9:00 am

I detest people who incessantly recline small-pitch coach seats in front of me with complete disregard to the people behind them or damage/spillage to property that may be on tray tables. Particularly the people who fully recline the seat at maximum speed and then proceed to push hard back on the seat four or five times to see if they can squeeze themselves half an inch closer to my face. (My personal rule for reclining my own Y seat beyond just enough to get it out of the "upright and locked position" is don't do it unless: 1) seat behind is empty or 2) passenger behind is asleep or 3) flight is during what would be reasonably considered "sleep time" in either the origin or destination timezones.)

My "revenge" against extreme offenders in the category is some combination of:

1) Direct my air vent at their head/neck. Cold air will give many people a bad stiff neck and/or prevent them from sleeping or getting comfortable.

2) Use their seat as a hand-hold when entering/exiting my own. Sometimes this is more "required" than "revenge" because there is so little space I have to push off of something to squeeze out.

3) Periodic unnanounced hard knees in the back of the chair.

I have only used these tactics twice. Once on a transatlantic westbound UA 777 where I got stuck an E- aisle seat, and the woman in front of me reclined fully on takeoff, did the whole push the seat four times to get the extra quarter inch routine, and didn't unrecline until the FA made her do it just before landing. I had to eat my meal off to the side there was so little space, and there was no hope of using a laptop. Making matters worse, the woman whose face was in my lap reeked of cigarette smoke, and she had scraggly long smoke-smelling fried-from-too-much-bleach hair that was unrestrained and kept going behind the seat into what was left of my tray/lap area. This woman got a good deal of tactics (1) and (2) but I was too young/nice at the time to do (3).

Second, on an ORD-LAX 767 where I got stuck in an E- aisle with a talk lanky teenaged girl in front of me. Fully reclined the seat and did the pushing thing during taxi (bad sign). Unreclined during takeoff at FA request but whined to FA about how she was "a tall six feet" and had "long legs" so she needed the space. (The b***h was a whopping 1.5 inches taller than me but apparently needed lots of special treatment.) Fully reclined on takeoff and did the pushing thing again. Never unreclined, including on landing (ignored FA request) or even disembarking. I had to squeeze out of my seatbelt and crawl over her seat to unrecline it after she disembarked just so I could get my carry-on and get out. This girl got a hefty dose of (1), (2), and (3) as well as a very nasty look as I sat pinned down in my seat while she disembarked with a haughty and self-centered air about her.

SJCFlyerLG Jun 17, 2005 11:08 am

Wonderful analogy!
 

Originally Posted by bigguyinpasadena
But of course The Bush regieme has been doing this for a few years now.

^ ;) ;) ;) ;)

SJCFlyerLG Jun 17, 2005 11:09 am


Originally Posted by plat
For those rude row-mates who impose themselves into your space on the plane (sticking their legs, arms over into your place etc), you can exact some revenge by reoeasing some silent-but-deadly flatulence :eek: Of course, this could have potentially harmful effects for others seated nearby so that should be of some consideration. Also, immediately afterwards, you should look around accusingly particularly at your intended victim

Now this emits an interesting point; you could be endangering yourself with the SBD's as well, but somehow we never seem to be offended by our own odors... :confused:

BigLar Jun 17, 2005 11:12 am


Originally Posted by SJCFlyerLG
Now this emits an interesting point; you could be endangering yourself with the SBD's as well, but somehow we never seem to be offended by our own odors... :confused:

Yup. "First smeller's the feller."

magiciansampras Jun 17, 2005 11:58 am


Originally Posted by studentff
I detest people who incessantly recline small-pitch coach seats in front of me with complete disregard to the people behind them or damage/spillage to property that may be on tray tables.

It seems to me your revenge should be at the airlines for creating the seats, not the user for taking advantage of whatever small level of comfort is available using the seats.

jfe Jun 17, 2005 12:04 pm

If the people next door bugged me, I flipped the do not disturb cards to maid service :D

Childish, I know, but they don't have those cards anymore.

Canarsie The Avenger :p

500 miles at a time Jun 17, 2005 12:06 pm

I'll leave a rattlesnake at their front door.... :p

jfe Jun 17, 2005 12:09 pm


Originally Posted by 500 miles at a time
I'll leave a rattlesnake at their front door.... :p

That was you :eek:

:mad:

dchristiva Jun 17, 2005 12:20 pm

Revenge is petty and childish. Grow up and deal with the problem head on.

500 miles at a time Jun 17, 2005 12:25 pm

When nothing else works it is the only solution....

jfe Jun 17, 2005 12:29 pm


Originally Posted by 500 miles at a time
When nothing else works it is the only solution....

You could have called, PM or used the doorbell to tell me about it :mad:

rbrenton88 Jun 17, 2005 1:32 pm

Last time I had a hotel room, the room number was the same as the country code I was located in. So every hour or so, one of the other guests mistakenly forgot to dial 0 to get an outside line. Each time it was <click> with no 'sorry'

Maybe it was one of you people?

Strawb Jun 17, 2005 1:36 pm


Originally Posted by dchristiva
Revenge is petty and childish.

Yes, but it's SWEET.

jfe Jun 17, 2005 2:24 pm


Originally Posted by UK flyer
Yes, but it's SWEET.

"Revenge is a dish that is best served cold. It is very cold.....in space."

Khan.

Rejuvenated Jun 17, 2005 10:26 pm


Originally Posted by UK flyer
Yes, but it's SWEET.

It's sweet as long as you are aware of the consequences being a positive one.

Boraxo Jun 18, 2005 1:32 am


Originally Posted by jfe
"Revenge is a dish that is best served cold. It is very cold.....in space."

Khan.

Damn, you stole my line!

I once stayed at the La Costa Resort in Carlsbad and had to be up at 8am every day for business meetings. Every night late and then early morning I would hear footsteps in the room above me walking across the room. Then stopping. Then walking across the room. Then stopping. Again and again and again.

This went on for hours. I called security several times, whereupon the noise would briefly stop. I am a light sleeper and needless to say I did not sleep well.

Finally on the last day I went upstairs to see if I could determine the source of my misery. Lo and behold, the maid had left the door open. I peered inside and discovered a golf putter. And suddenly it all became clear.

I removed the golf club and placed it downstairs near the ice machine. Payback is a *****. :p

AllanJ Jun 18, 2005 8:00 am

Several years ago on one occasion I got calls in the middle of the night on my hotel room phone. Knowing that (in those days) leaving the phone off hook put a little strain on the phone system I did just that. Nobody cared but if someone later had raiised the issue to me I would hav said, "You stop it from ringing and I'll hang it up".

On another occasion I called the hotel operator immediately each and every time "to report hang up calls".

Travel tips:
http://members.aol.com/ajaynejr/travel.htm

Too isolated a case to start a fad with but, if every person staying in the room whose number was the area code for the region --- placed a complaint call or a hang up call to some hotel employee each time upon receiving such a call --- the hotel will find some way to fix the problem, such as renumber the rooms.

Emma65 Jun 18, 2005 9:27 am

Ten years ago I was working on a tour (I'm in the music industry). I was at the time a double driver of the truck on that tour. We got to Luleå where I would be able to have almost two full nights in an SAS branded hotel. I was looking forward to this at it was also my 30th birthday.

I checked in and sent the lead driver up to the room so he could have a nice hot bath (he was going to stay in the truck). He came back down to the bar and left me the key. I went upstairs to have a bath myself. A good long soak.

Feeling the warm water releiving me of the vibrations from the truck I look around only to stare in horror at what I see. The water tank on the toilet seat is covered in dried in human (I presume) feces. Behind the tank, wedged in between the wall and the tank is used toilet paper. (Yes, it was dry so not blaming my lead driver).

I very quickly got out of the bath, had a good scrub and shower. Quickly got dressed, packed my bags again and went down stair to the reception.

I put the key down and said "please remove my bags from my room and put them in another room. I am not staying the one you gave me when I checked in."

Naturally, the receptionist asked my why not to which I explained.

She then told me that they'd send house keeping around to have it cleened up.

"There is no way I'm staying in there. Move my stuff to another room."

So they then told me that they'd give me a key to another room and I could move my bags over.

I laughed. "Look, here's the key. I'm going to the bar. When you have moved my things you can meet me in the bar and give me my new key and let me know which room I'm in. I don't have time for this as it's my birthday today" and with that I proceeded to the bar ordered a drink and sat down partying with the band. Receptionist came in 15 minutes later and gave me a new key.

A few years later I'm chatting with a guy who was fairly high up in the SAS corporation. I told him that I was about to post this story on a website I was about to create. His words were: "Please do. We don't actually own that hotel and we're trying hard to get out of the contract with them."

I did.

I don't know if SAS still have a contract with that hotel owner anymore.

Emma65 Jun 18, 2005 9:39 am


Originally Posted by studentff
My "revenge" against extreme offenders in the category is some combination of:

1) Direct my air vent at their head/neck. Cold air will give many people a bad stiff neck and/or prevent them from sleeping or getting comfortable.

2) Use their seat as a hand-hold when entering/exiting my own. Sometimes this is more "required" than "revenge" because there is so little space I have to push off of something to squeeze out.

3) Periodic unnanounced hard knees in the back of the chair.

I hope you never end up behind me. I reclined my seat on a 777 from AMS - JFK. I id check that the passenger behind me didn't have his traytable down so I wouldn't spill anything in his lap. Next thing I know He start pushing my seat up.. I ignored it as much as possible but got fed up. Went to have words with the crew and asked them to find me another seat so I could recline it without having an irrate passneger behind me.

Crew wouldn't have that and said I was in my right to recline it and went to have words with the passenger. His reason was that he couldn't see the movie on the screen of the back of my seat.Tilting the screen wasn't good enough for him.

He got told off by the crew. (Note - this was well past half way through the flight so it wasnät as if I was cramoing his style for hours.

You end up behind me and do your revenge thing on me I will have the crew have words with you too.

Better still you need so much space get a business class ticket.

AllanJ Jun 19, 2005 8:53 am


Originally Posted by Emma65
I reclined my seat ... I id check that the passenger behind me didn't have his traytable down so I wouldn't spill anything ... Next thing I know He start pushing my seat up

You end up behind me and do your revenge thing on me I will have the crew have words with you too.

This pushing on somebody's seat is not revenge. It is obnoxious behavior worthy of revenge.

studentff Jun 19, 2005 12:01 pm


Originally Posted by Emma65
I hope you never end up behind me. I reclined my seat on a 777 from AMS - JFK. I id check that the passenger behind me didn't have his traytable down so I wouldn't spill anything in his lap.

That's more courtesy than either of the people in my example gave. I've heard stories of laptop screens being broken by the effects of sudden unannounced reclines, let alone drink/food spills.

I also presume you didn't have body parts / clothing flailing about behind your seat and that you unreclined the seat for landing and disembarkation.


Next thing I know He start pushing my seat up.. I ignored it as much as possible but got fed up.
Understandably. If he had to leverage off of your seat to get out of his because of lack of space, that's one thing. But there's no excuse for him pusing on your seat continuously; that's about as stupid as the recliner in my example pushing backwards on the seat continuously trying to eek out an extra half inch of recline.


You end up behind me and do your revenge thing on me I will have the crew have words with you too.

Better still you need so much space get a business class ticket.
This is one of those issues where there are two opposed groups of people who will just never agree. That's OK. A lot of people ask why I don't recline my seat to gain space taken by the person in front of me, but I don't see the point in inflicting discomfort on someone else when I complain about the same discomfort. I stand by my personal rules for reclining seats. They aren't for everyone, but they work for me.

Oh, and I don't need "that much space." 32" pitch is adequate if people have some awareness of their surroundings. Continuous full recline to the point where the person behind can't deploy their tray table, get to their underseat storage, or even stand up without performing a strange shimmy maneuver for a lengthy flight including meal service and especially landing/disembarkation does not indicate an awareness of surroundings IMO.

andrewsheehan Jun 19, 2005 2:25 pm

I plopped down $300 US and ordered a handheld cell phone jammer from the U.K.(Illegal in U.S.)

Worth every penny when you get that a$$hole who thinks his phone conversation needs to be heard throughout the restaurant, coffee shop, post office or wherever. The satisfaction of shutting down a load mouth is indescribable :D , as you watch them fiddle with their phones and say "HELLO, HELLO". When they realize they aren't getting any signal, they usually walk a good distance away out of my jammer's reach and out of earshot to try to call again.

Note: I don't actually take it with my on the plane, cause I wouldn't want to have to explain to TSA what it was (looks like a cell phone), so I just check it and carry it around with me when I get to my destination

http://www.globalgadgetuk.com/Personal.htm

goingnow Jun 19, 2005 3:56 pm

[QUOTE=andrewsheehan]I plopped down $300 US and ordered a handheld cell phone jammer from the U.K.(Illegal in U.S.)

Worth every penny when you get that a$$hole who thinks his phone conversation needs to be heard throughout the restaurant, coffee shop, post office or wherever. The satisfaction of shutting down a load mouth is indescribable :D , as you watch them fiddle with their phones and say "HELLO, HELLO". When they realize they aren't getting any signal, they usually walk a good distance away out of my jammer's reach and out of earshot to try to call again.

grbflyer Jun 19, 2005 10:16 pm

that cell phone jammer is an excellent idea. i try to be considerate on a plane. i ask the person behind me if i can recline. i usually just go for it if its a small kid. i usually just recline on transatlantic flights, but then again everyone does so it doesnt seem to bother anyone. i want to be comfortable for that long of a flight and i think others agree. as for exacting revenge, the bad karma is usually good enough for me. i always get a big kick when "mr or ms. in-a-hurry-im-important" business traveler does something and then gets stopped by the TSA or something like that. its all about what comes around goes around. if im sitting next to andre the giant, i can understand, im not the skinniest either, try not to touch me. i paid just the same for my seat. and whats with kids looking over the back of their seat to see what your doing. i dont find you cute and i dont want to talk to you.

AllanJ Jun 20, 2005 6:23 pm


Originally Posted by goingnow
Match rudeness with rudeness-yeah-that'll make things better. You people scare me.

What else matches?

IceTrojan Jun 20, 2005 6:29 pm

[QUOTE=goingnow]

Originally Posted by andrewsheehan
I plopped down $300 US and ordered a handheld cell phone jammer from the U.K.(Illegal in U.S.)

Worth every penny when you get that a$$hole who thinks his phone conversation needs to be heard throughout the restaurant, coffee shop, post office or wherever. The satisfaction of shutting down a load mouth is indescribable :D , as you watch them fiddle with their phones and say "HELLO, HELLO". When they realize they aren't getting any signal, they usually walk a good distance away out of my jammer's reach and out of earshot to try to call again.


Originally Posted by andrewsheehan



Match rudeness with rudeness-yeah-that'll make things better. You people scare me.

how is that rude?

essxjay Jun 20, 2005 7:46 pm


Originally Posted by BigLar
Yup. "First smeller's the feller."

"You smelt it, you dealt it" has also been my personal variation ... :o

Rebelyell Jun 21, 2005 7:54 am

Here's a good one
 

Originally Posted by Athena53
Two thoughts: in a thread on mugging, someone suggested carying a cheap wallet with a few $ worth of local currency and a bunch of those stupid fake credit cards you get with credit card solicitations in the mail. Their suggestion was to throw it out on the street and run madly in the opposite direction if mugged. I'm thinking of just keeping one in my back pocket to attract pickpockets on crowded subways. By the time they get out at the next stop and check their "winnings", I'll be out of range.

I read on a travel board about someone who heard a group of travelers cackling over drinks in Paris. It seems the travelers were on a subway and one woman had her wallet stolen. Of course, before getting on the subway she had taken a cheap wallet and glued razor blades to the edges, and then left it where it could be seen inside an open purse. They had apparently been able to see and hear the pickpocket howl in pain as he hit the sidewalk running.

da_guy Jun 21, 2005 8:32 am

Might I suggest instead of prank calling people that you get some ear plugs instead?

I always wear ear plugs when sleeping in hotel rooms because by their very nature, hotels are loud. You have hundreds of people coming and going at all hours, most on vacation, some drunk. It is unreasonable to expect peace and quiet 100% of the time.


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