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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 12:22 am
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New Concorde being discussed

My apologies if this is being discussed elsewhere.

(CNN) -- Japanese and French companies have signed an agreement to develop a supersonic aircraft to succeed the disused Concorde jetliner, according to Japanese media reports.

The three-year agreement to study a next-generation supersonic jet was signed at the Paris Air Show, Kyodo news agency reported, citing a statement released by Japan's trade ministry.

The Society of Japanese Aerospace Companies and the French Aerospace Industries Association will lead the initiative, it said.

Under the deal, the various parties will conduct research into composite materials, technology for reducing engine noise and other difficulties unique to supersonic flight.

According to the Nihon Keizai newspaper, a number of companies and agencies will work with the two industry bodies.

They include the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency, the Engineering Research Association for Supersonic Transport Propulsion System -- consisting of Ishikawajima-Harima Heavy Industries, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries and Kawasaki Heavy Industries, -- the French Aeronautics and Space Research Center, and French aircraft engine manufacturer Snecma.

The Concorde, the world's first supersonic jet, entered service in 1976. It went through a 16-month hiatus after a crash in July 2000, and finally stopped operating in October 2003 due to heavy maintenance costs.

Two airlines, British Airways and Air France, used the aircraft on trans-Atlantic services.

With a cruising speed of 1350 miles an hour it was able to transport passengers from London to New York in less than three hours, compared to an eight-hour flight for subsonic airliners.

But the Concorde suffered a setback when an Air France plane caught fire in July 2000 shortly after takeoff over France. It crashed, killing 113 people, including four on the ground. The aircraft was taken out of service until November 2001.

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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 11:59 am
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more details from BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4094810.stm
 
Old Jun 15, 2005 | 12:08 pm
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it's in the BA forum!
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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 12:49 pm
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Basically they're making a big hooptie do over investing about $5.5mm over three years. (That's million, not billion). That wouldn't buy the paper clips needed to support a project to design a working 300 pax supersonic plane. This is a PR stunt, nothing more.

I missed the chance to fly Concorde and would like to believe that I'll have the chance to fly supersonic in my lifetime... at this moment however my the highest likelihood of that being possible is through a ride on SpaceShipOne, not this work of fiction.
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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 2:17 pm
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Originally Posted by bigred93
Basically they're making a big hooptie do over investing about $5.5mm over three years. (That's million, not billion). That wouldn't buy the paper clips needed to support a project to design a working 300 pax supersonic plane. This is a PR stunt, nothing more.

I missed the chance to fly Concorde and would like to believe that I'll have the chance to fly supersonic in my lifetime... at this moment however my the highest likelihood of that being possible is through a ride on SpaceShipOne, not this work of fiction.
Or it could simply be research that will eventually lead to product development. I do not think it is pure fiction or a PR stunt. I do not think the likes of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries are so stupid to believe 1.01 million will lead to development of any aircraft, let alone one capable of supersonic speeds.

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Companies from the countries will split an annual investment of $1.84m (1.01m) for research over the next three years, Japan's trade ministry said.
Originally Posted by CNN
The three-year agreement to study a next-generation supersonic jet...
So basically, some people are studying some ideas. If those ideas bear fruit, the research may or may not lead to product development. Boeing R&D has lots of ideas that never go beyond the idea stage, so does Airbus I imagine...

Because it involves a supersonic aircraft with maybe some real possible future, and Concorde is our only reference point, and it was special, of course the media will pounce on it, and people will lap it up.
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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 8:49 pm
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Also being discussed at http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=443458 .
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