380 Orders so far
Jan 18, 2005 | 1:50 pm
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380 Orders so far
Complete list of Airbus 380
Air France- 10 A380.800- 4 Option
Lufhtansa- 15 A380.800
Virgin Atlantic- 6 A380.800- 6 option
Malaysia Airlines- 6 A380.800- 6 option
Singapore Airlines- 10 A380.800- 15 option
Qantas Airways- 12 A380.800- 12 option
Qatar Airways- 2 A380.800- 2 option
Emirates - 20 A380.800 - 10 option
Emirates - 2 A380.800F
Fedex Express- 10 A 380.800F - 10 option
Air France- 10 A380.800- 4 Option
Lufhtansa- 15 A380.800
Virgin Atlantic- 6 A380.800- 6 option
Malaysia Airlines- 6 A380.800- 6 option
Singapore Airlines- 10 A380.800- 15 option
Qantas Airways- 12 A380.800- 12 option
Qatar Airways- 2 A380.800- 2 option
Emirates - 20 A380.800 - 10 option
Emirates - 2 A380.800F
Fedex Express- 10 A 380.800F - 10 option
Jan 18, 2005 | 6:49 pm
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Yes, UPS ordered 10, as well. I imagine both well use them for their China-US service.
So Airbus is averaging 30 orders a year (figuring since 1999, going back to the A3XX announcement). They have 149, and need about that many more to break even (considering the huge launch discounts customarily given for new aircraft by both Airbus and Boeing). Then another 500 or so to make the 20% return on the $13 billion investment (so far) they promised. But EADS is hoping to sell upwards of 750 over the next thirty years.
So Airbus is averaging 30 orders a year (figuring since 1999, going back to the A3XX announcement). They have 149, and need about that many more to break even (considering the huge launch discounts customarily given for new aircraft by both Airbus and Boeing). Then another 500 or so to make the 20% return on the $13 billion investment (so far) they promised. But EADS is hoping to sell upwards of 750 over the next thirty years.
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Jan 18, 2005 | 9:00 pm
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Originally Posted by SEA_Tigger
Yes, UPS ordered 10, as well. I imagine both well use them for their China-US service.
So Airbus is averaging 30 orders a year (figuring since 1999, going back to the A3XX announcement). They have 149, and need about that many more to break even (considering the huge launch discounts customarily given for new aircraft by both Airbus and Boeing). Then another 500 or so to make the 20% return on the $13 billion investment (so far) they promised. But EADS is hoping to sell upwards of 750 over the next thirty years.
So Airbus is averaging 30 orders a year (figuring since 1999, going back to the A3XX announcement). They have 149, and need about that many more to break even (considering the huge launch discounts customarily given for new aircraft by both Airbus and Boeing). Then another 500 or so to make the 20% return on the $13 billion investment (so far) they promised. But EADS is hoping to sell upwards of 750 over the next thirty years.
Jan 19, 2005 | 6:26 am
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Originally Posted by Boofer
Good luck to them. I just don't see it happening. I think the 7E7 is going to be much more successful in the long term, but not a grand slam either. The airlines just don't have that much capital to invest.
Jan 19, 2005 | 7:24 am
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Originally Posted by Boofer
Good luck to them. I just don't see it happening. I think the 7E7 is going to be much more successful in the long term, but not a grand slam either. The airlines just don't have that much capital to invest.
Jan 19, 2005 | 9:54 am
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Whos ready?
Many large international hub airports are not ready for such a large aircraft. The runways and taxiways both need to be wider then needed for a 747.
SFO is ready, both in runway and gates. I wonder if that will give it an advantage over other West cost hubs for Asian travel??
SFO is ready, both in runway and gates. I wonder if that will give it an advantage over other West cost hubs for Asian travel??
Jan 19, 2005 | 11:37 am
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Most US hubs have one 200ft wide runway. Most taxiways won't need widening, the corners may be flared on routes that will be designated for taking the A380 depending on the turning radius. It's really much less of a deal than people are making it into.
Jan 19, 2005 | 12:30 pm
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Originally Posted by USA_flyer
Correction: the US airlines don't have much to invest. Qantas made a 500million profit last year for example...
And Airbus may indeed see a large proportion of orders for the freighter version (and as I've said earlier, I'm totally excited about seeing the FedEx birds flying over IND!). But I read somewhere that Boeing is still mulling the possibility for offering an updated 747 with the Dreamliner engines and updated controls and avionics. So I wouldn't yet conclude that Boeing decided not to compete. I think they just decided that they couldn't provide the return on investment that their shareholders require by designing a completely new jumbo from the ground up.
Jan 19, 2005 | 1:10 pm
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Originally Posted by Boofer
Yes, thanks. I was only thinking of U.S. and most European legacy carriers. Asian airlines in general are doing very well.
Jan 19, 2005 | 2:49 pm
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Originally Posted by thommsf
Emirates - 20 A380.800 - 10 option
Emirates - 2 A380.800F
Emirates - 2 A380.800F
Jan 19, 2005 | 4:29 pm
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I guess these orders look good, but how much do they have to put down to place the orders, and what's the penalty if they cancel them? Especially within the last few years, there have been many reports about airlines deferring or cancelling future orders.
That $19B looks nice, but I'd guess that proper accounting practices don't allow it to be reflected as sales until the aircraft is actually delivered.
Jeff
That $19B looks nice, but I'd guess that proper accounting practices don't allow it to be reflected as sales until the aircraft is actually delivered.
Jeff
Jan 19, 2005 | 7:12 pm
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Originally Posted by jwhite4
I guess these orders look good, but how much do they have to put down to place the orders, and what's the penalty if they cancel them?
Cancellation fees are probably the deposit, but oftentimes Boeing and Airbus will work with the customer to either defer delivery, adjust the price, or swap out a different plane type (like UPS did, cancelling ~36 A300Fs for the 10 A380Fs).
Jan 20, 2005 | 10:19 pm
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Originally Posted by jwhite4
I guess these orders look good, but how much do they have to put down to place the orders, and what's the penalty if they cancel them? Especially within the last few years, there have been many reports about airlines deferring or cancelling future orders.
That $19B looks nice, but I'd guess that proper accounting practices don't allow it to be reflected as sales until the aircraft is actually delivered.
Jeff
That $19B looks nice, but I'd guess that proper accounting practices don't allow it to be reflected as sales until the aircraft is actually delivered.
Jeff