cattle

Obviously none of you have ever watched regular tv after 11:00 pm in Montreal.

I once saw a guy wearing a frog mask hopping around going "rib it, rib it". Another guy showed up in a dog mask. I watched it for 20 min because I just so stunned I couldn't turn off.

I couldn't make that up if I tried.

Beat that Skofarrell

Edited to add: I caught this flipping through regular tv channels while looking for Jay Leno! Don't want to be labled like pointsgirl thought she was

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gccgrad

Unfortunately, the darker effects of porn are not widely discussed (it is not PC to discuss negative ramifications of society's unbridled "freedom of expression"). E.g.:

"In a 1985 study of 256 non-incarcerated perpetrators of sexual offenses who were undergoing treatment, 56% of rapists and 42% of women said they had been sexually abused by someone they knew as a direct result of his use of pornography."

"A 1986 Women's Day survey of 6,000 readers found that 21% of women said they had been sexually abused by someone they knew as a direct result of his use of pornography"

The victims can be the users, their wives (or husbands), and their families. If you want to see one of the end results of where a porn addiction CAN take someone, read the following interview with Ted Bundy, hours before he was excuted for the murder of 28 women:

http://www.pureintimacy.org/online1/bundy.html

NOTE: This is NOT what happens to most people, I am merely citing it as an example how destructive a porn addition can become (note Ted's comment about the other men he knew in prison). For most men, porn will merely detract from their ability to have as intimate a relationship with a single woman for their whole life.

QuietLion

What possible scientific significance could it have that a certain percentage of crime victims have a certain theory about the motivation of the perpetrator?

It reminds me of a spoof of "USA Today" put out by the Harvard Lampoon when I was an undergraduate. A colorful graphic below the fold screamed out, "Lead is heaviest element, poll shows."

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, **** lies, and statistics."
-- Mark Twain

QL

Tango

Gccgrad: For every study that shows that porn is harmful, there is another study that states it(porn) is not.

It is ironic that the internet has turned everything upside down and inside out. It used to be that you would really need to go out of your way to see porn. The internet has now broken down all of those walls and anybody who wants to view porn can do so in the privacy of their homes. The question I pose is if Porn is so harmful, then should we start seeing an increase in crimes motivated be watching porn?

chazas

Hmmm. Best (?) I've seen had about 90% softcore mixed in with about 10% hardcore shots. Really low quality, cheesy stuff. And no "money" shots. And no gay porn.

Hotel video systems definitely don't get my smut dollars! I'd rather start a crusade for BETTER porn in hotel rooms.

skofarrell

Hey, I've been to certain :ahem: establishments :ahem: on Rue St. Catherine and Rue De Maisonneuve Ouest.

I've seen it all.




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jfe

Option #1: Hire responsible adults (endangered species), if they keep buying them, reprimand them

Option #2: These are the only movies that cost over $10, or so I heard

Option #3: Make them stay at Motel 6, which I don't think they have PPV's

Option#4: Give them a laptop with a DVD player and a gift certificate to your local adult store

Just suggestions

PremEx

I suppose next they'll be wanting to ban what actually goes on in those hotel rooms!

Now that would probably make what's going on up on the screen, look like something from the Family Channel!

cblaisd

Watching them. Or making them?

mspman

OK, don't ask me how I know this, but...

The Westin in Chicago has some.. "interesting" films on their pay per view system. In addition.. it is full blown XXX.. so none of the softcore stuff you guys are talking about.

I love it. I thread in TraveBuzz on porn.

Canarsie

At least the topic is not "Should X-Rated Movies Be Banned From Airline Entertainment Systems?"

Hmmm....a way for airlines to quickly return to profitability???....

gccgrad

Yes, but they differ in what they are actually trying to qualify. I think most of the concern is concerning the body of "hard core" porn, which often includes depiction of sexual violence in one form or another (and the evidence that early and frequent exposure to soft core can lead to hard core use (similiar to the progressions in drug use)). It is necessary to look at the entire body of evidence and studies. That was the charge of the Attorney General Commission on Pornography of 1986, and they spent almost two years doing just that. Their conclusions were (Section 5.2.1):

"…[C]linical and experimental research … [has] focused particularly on sexually violent material, [and] the conclusions have been virtually unanimous. In both clinical and experimental settings, exposure to sexually violent materials as indicated an increase in the likelihood of aggression. More specifically, the research, … shows a causal relationship between exposure to material of this type and aggressive behavior towards women."

Note, this does NOT say that "all those who use porn ...", it merely establishes a risk (just like all those who smoke 2 packs a day do not die of lung cancer but that does not eliminate the risk...). For a great article on the clinical risks and arguments, see:

http://mentalhealthlibrary.info/libr...porneffect.htm

That is a great question! First, I don't think the watching porn provides the "motivation" it is merely a contributing factor in reprogramming an individual's perceptions about certain behavior. But in answer to your question, I think the impact would be seen more later down the road as the children growing up with access to it all on the internet grow into adults. But who knows? Only time will tell...

Tango

GCCGRAD: The key word here is violence. There have been studies that show when two groups of males are shown porn movies--one with violence and the other without, the males who viewed the violent movies are more aggressive in their actions than the one's who watched the non violent porn.

To state that porn is harmful becuase of this is way too simplistic. Without violence, the most harm that porn can cause is getting people horny--and as far as I know that is not a crime except in Utah. If you want to address the issue of violence, let's not single out just porn--we should expand this to all sorts of things like violence in all movies, video games and TV. We can expand this to gun control but then it gets way to complicated.

gccgrad

TANGO:

Excellent point on the violence. I couldn't agree with you more fully, and I definitely feel that violence in other forms of media should not be ignored in their influences. The difficulty of the study you mentioned is that it didn't address the progressive nature of porn, merely the effect of its imediate content. Human senuality often operates on a progressive continuum, in which increased license in one section of the continuum leads to dabbling in the next level due to the law of dimishing returns (again, this same thing is seen in the progression between types of drug use). Of course, if one takes this continuum to its endpoint, one arrives at societies in which a woman showing her ankles are considered erotic. This is too extreme (as is full public license of all sensual material - to the point of beastiality and violence/mutilation/murder). The key is finding a balance allowing some license but encouraging healthy self control. Unless that self-control is encouraged, there continues to be the danger of progression (which is issue with porn as a whole). But I certainly agree that the correlation occurs when the continent has progressed to sensual violence (which was the finding of the 1986 commission).

Jon Toner

While staying at a Hampton Inn near PHX last August. The hotel was supposed to have one of those PPV systems, but my room had a plain TV with a cable. No big deal.

Until I started flipping through the channels. When I reached channels 41 - 50, I encountered the TV spots which are apparently reserved for PPV movies and internet access. On 41, I'd see a movie that one person had rented. On 42, I'd see another. On 43, I'd see someone browsing the internet.

It was interesting because at any given time in this 80-100 room hotel, 4 - 5 channels were used at any given moment. One person was browsing the internet, checking his accounts at schwab.com. Another had rented Monsters, Inc. The other 2-3 movies were always a porn movie of some type.

I called down to the desk to notify them (after all, a child just flipping through could easily stumble across this stuff). They said there were renovating their video system.

Two lessons emerged.

1) Those porn channels are popular.

2) If you disconnect that control box and just run the cable to your TV, all the extra services are in a block of TV channels.

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