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Aug 7, 2003 | 8:58 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by JS:
Sure, flying isn't affordable to many, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it a luxury.
There is nothing that is affordable to everyone, unless it's free.
What is the point of this thread? The topic title says "Northworst" but has hardly anything to do with NW. Then you complain that the airlines don't give out free food on board anymore. Now you are complaining that air fares remain out of reach for many Americans.
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Sure, flying isn't affordable to many, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it a luxury.
There is nothing that is affordable to everyone, unless it's free.
What is the point of this thread? The topic title says "Northworst" but has hardly anything to do with NW. Then you complain that the airlines don't give out free food on board anymore. Now you are complaining that air fares remain out of reach for many Americans.
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I think you are going way overboard. When i call flying a luxury, I am merely stating it, I am not complaining. I can fly much more if i want. Money is not a problem for me.
Northwest was singled out because it was the first airline i have flown where I have seen them charge for a meal, taking money during the flight in coach. I thought that this was an extremely tacky practice, that's all. I have not experienced this on USAirways, United, Delta, American or any other carrier or I would have called them on it.
this thread has obviously expanded into a conversation about other things, and thats fine, hey thats how conversations go, right??
you dont talk about the weather for 2 hours do you??? I hope not!!
Aug 7, 2003 | 10:11 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by HigherFlyer:
If I fly NW to FRA, will they serve NorthWurst?
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If I fly NW to FRA, will they serve NorthWurst?
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Aug 7, 2003 | 2:08 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Jamoldo:
The thread is titled as northworst because it obviously attracted everyone's attention. If it had been some boring title, then it would have had three responses and no one would have bothered to check it. It was that simple.
I think you are going way overboard. When i call flying a luxury, I am merely stating it, I am not complaining. I can fly much more if i want. Money is not a problem for me.
Northwest was singled out because it was the first airline i have flown where I have seen them charge for a meal, taking money during the flight in coach. I thought that this was an extremely tacky practice, that's all. I have not experienced this on USAirways, United, Delta, American or any other carrier or I would have called them on it.
this thread has obviously expanded into a conversation about other things, and thats fine, hey thats how conversations go, right??
you dont talk about the weather for 2 hours do you??? I hope not!!
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The thread is titled as northworst because it obviously attracted everyone's attention. If it had been some boring title, then it would have had three responses and no one would have bothered to check it. It was that simple.
I think you are going way overboard. When i call flying a luxury, I am merely stating it, I am not complaining. I can fly much more if i want. Money is not a problem for me.
Northwest was singled out because it was the first airline i have flown where I have seen them charge for a meal, taking money during the flight in coach. I thought that this was an extremely tacky practice, that's all. I have not experienced this on USAirways, United, Delta, American or any other carrier or I would have called them on it.
this thread has obviously expanded into a conversation about other things, and thats fine, hey thats how conversations go, right??
you dont talk about the weather for 2 hours do you??? I hope not!!
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If your topic is boring, then it deserves to wither away after three responses. I don't think the topic of selling meals on board is boring.
Believe me, you will experience this same tacky sale on all the other major carriers (except Southwest).
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Aug 8, 2003 | 1:52 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by JS:
Believe me, you will experience this same tacky sale on all the other major carriers (except Southwest).
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Believe me, you will experience this same tacky sale on all the other major carriers (except Southwest).
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I have to say that I find this most disheartening. Oh well...
Aug 8, 2003 | 10:03 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by JS:
Sure, flying isn't affordable to many, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it a luxury.
There is nothing that is affordable to everyone, unless it's free.
What is the point of this thread? The topic title says "Northworst" but has hardly anything to do with NW. Then you complain that the airlines don't give out free food on board anymore. Now you are complaining that air fares remain out of reach for many Americans.
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Sure, flying isn't affordable to many, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it a luxury.
There is nothing that is affordable to everyone, unless it's free.
What is the point of this thread? The topic title says "Northworst" but has hardly anything to do with NW. Then you complain that the airlines don't give out free food on board anymore. Now you are complaining that air fares remain out of reach for many Americans.
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Aug 8, 2003 | 9:04 pm
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Whenever cuts like these are made we hear from the crowd that says that we consumers were spoiled too much before or didn't have reason to expect what we had been getting. Or that we, in the spirit of community, should accept our share of belt-tightening in hard times.
I wish I could be so selfless and stoic, but I remember things like $100 change fees or $2,000 walk-up coast-to-coast RTs or Leo's bankruptcy-proof pension. And I ask myself, "Have THEY been acting like we're all in this together?"
After all, it takes trust and credibility to get people to believe your message and lead in hard times, and that's where I find the airline upper managements sorely lacking. Remember the fuel surcharge and how AA and others tried to hold onto it after the fuel price spike had passed? Or of trying to link charging for drinks internationally to improved meal service on some routes, though the improvements would be swept away in the next round of cuts but the charges kept?
These kinds of things erode trust and goodwill. Customers rightfully are skeptical or cynical about whether any savings will "trickle down" to them in lower fares, or just be pocketed (if there's one thing most companies are loath to do, it's pass along cost savings in the form of lower prices. Only vigorous competition can bring that about).
Airlines may well be able to force this latest round of cuts on customers by all doing it at once, but spare me the bit about need-for-sacrifice.
I wish I could be so selfless and stoic, but I remember things like $100 change fees or $2,000 walk-up coast-to-coast RTs or Leo's bankruptcy-proof pension. And I ask myself, "Have THEY been acting like we're all in this together?"
After all, it takes trust and credibility to get people to believe your message and lead in hard times, and that's where I find the airline upper managements sorely lacking. Remember the fuel surcharge and how AA and others tried to hold onto it after the fuel price spike had passed? Or of trying to link charging for drinks internationally to improved meal service on some routes, though the improvements would be swept away in the next round of cuts but the charges kept?
These kinds of things erode trust and goodwill. Customers rightfully are skeptical or cynical about whether any savings will "trickle down" to them in lower fares, or just be pocketed (if there's one thing most companies are loath to do, it's pass along cost savings in the form of lower prices. Only vigorous competition can bring that about).
Airlines may well be able to force this latest round of cuts on customers by all doing it at once, but spare me the bit about need-for-sacrifice.
Aug 9, 2003 | 12:32 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by RustyC:
Whenever cuts like these are made we hear from the crowd that says that we consumers were spoiled too much before or didn't have reason to expect what we had been getting. Or that we, in the spirit of community, should accept our share of belt-tightening in hard times.
I wish I could be so selfless and stoic, but I remember things like $100 change fees or $2,000 walk-up coast-to-coast RTs or Leo's bankruptcy-proof pension. And I ask myself, "Have THEY been acting like we're all in this together?"
After all, it takes trust and credibility to get people to believe your message and lead in hard times, and that's where I find the airline upper managements sorely lacking. Remember the fuel surcharge and how AA and others tried to hold onto it after the fuel price spike had passed? Or of trying to link charging for drinks internationally to improved meal service on some routes, though the improvements would be swept away in the next round of cuts but the charges kept?
These kinds of things erode trust and goodwill. Customers rightfully are skeptical or cynical about whether any savings will "trickle down" to them in lower fares, or just be pocketed (if there's one thing most companies are loath to do, it's pass along cost savings in the form of lower prices. Only vigorous competition can bring that about).
Airlines may well be able to force this latest round of cuts on customers by all doing it at once, but spare me the bit about need-for-sacrifice. </font>
Whenever cuts like these are made we hear from the crowd that says that we consumers were spoiled too much before or didn't have reason to expect what we had been getting. Or that we, in the spirit of community, should accept our share of belt-tightening in hard times.
I wish I could be so selfless and stoic, but I remember things like $100 change fees or $2,000 walk-up coast-to-coast RTs or Leo's bankruptcy-proof pension. And I ask myself, "Have THEY been acting like we're all in this together?"
After all, it takes trust and credibility to get people to believe your message and lead in hard times, and that's where I find the airline upper managements sorely lacking. Remember the fuel surcharge and how AA and others tried to hold onto it after the fuel price spike had passed? Or of trying to link charging for drinks internationally to improved meal service on some routes, though the improvements would be swept away in the next round of cuts but the charges kept?
These kinds of things erode trust and goodwill. Customers rightfully are skeptical or cynical about whether any savings will "trickle down" to them in lower fares, or just be pocketed (if there's one thing most companies are loath to do, it's pass along cost savings in the form of lower prices. Only vigorous competition can bring that about).
Airlines may well be able to force this latest round of cuts on customers by all doing it at once, but spare me the bit about need-for-sacrifice. </font>
At least I have some form of support!