LAX T1
ID Hell = No
Shoe Hell = Yes

PHX T3, T4
ID Hell = No
Shoe Hell = Yes

PHX T2
ID Hell = Yes
Shoe Hell = Yes

As of June 20-22.

MSP

ID hell = No
Shoe hell = No

STL

ID hell = No
Shoe hell = No

RDU

ID hell = Maybe because the Globe nimwits require an ID to get to security but it is not a TSA mandate yet

Shoe hell = Yes, yes, yes. All shoes off and laid on their sides. I see lots of bare feet now.

PVD
ID hell = yes
shoe hell = yes
wait hell = yes
would rather use BOS = yes

The rent-a-cop is hired by the airlines to make sure that the name on the ticket matches the name on the photo-id. this is to prevent ticket transferability in cases where there is no ticket-counter interaction.

BOS:
ID Hell- no
Shoe Hell- no

LAX:
ID Hell-yes
Shoe Hell-yes

HNL:
ID Hell-Yes!!!
Shoe Hell-Yes!!!

DFW:
ID Hell-no
Shoe Hell-no

This is very useful information that I will use the next time I am flying. Thank you!

Sowalsky,

That would make sense in terms of a rationale. But it's so stupid and time consuming. I'm appalled. If the TSA already matches the ticket and ID, there is no point in hiring someone else to do this. It's ridiculous!

SvenskaFlicka,
I noticed your "!!!" What is it with Honolulu? They are nuts down there. In a place reliant on tourism, they hassle passengers to no end.

"Would rather use BOS?" Never thought I'd hear that. And to think, I used to like PVD http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...orum/frown.gif Last time I flew out of there, I got there 1.5 hours before flight time, no baggage to check... and boarded 20 minutes AFTER scheduled departure.

I fly to Hawaii frequently and have never been to an airport like this one. As I said in another post, there are more TSA in Honolulu than any other airport I have ever been to. It's a sea of white shirts and it takes three TSA agents to screen one bag. There seem to be more TSA than passengers and they are not friendly. I find that the people from Hawaii are the friendliest people around except at this airport. I am going there for a three week vacation, not to smuggle bombs. The female TSA agent that just about gave me the oral cavity check over there had to make comments on everything I had in my luggage. Why do you need so much stuff and gee, thats a lot of ciggarettes you have with you. They gave us such a hard time about the fine wine we brought with us. I had visions of them confiscating it and having a grand old time that night with it. I wanted to say to them, take my clothes but not my fine wines. There is nothing pleasant or funny about going through this airport. They could lay off quite a few of them and still have a sea of them left.

Svenska Flicka,
The only explanations I can thinkly f are...

1. Hawaiian interisland flights are among the most heavily travelled in the USA.

2. According to the Reason Foundation's paper, Hawaiian interisland flights have the disproportionately high numbers of selectees (foreign passengers on one-ways).

The Reason paper cites this as the perfect example of "looking through too much hay to find a needle in a haystack."

Although I've never flown internationally into HNL, I've often heard that customs there is time-consuming and unpleasant.

It's a shame. Unfortunately there is nothing that any passenger can do to fix the problem. A boycott will never happen, the TSA doesn't answer to anyone, so we just have to wait for all of the airlines and the TSA to go bankrupt.

my guess would be that senator inouye commandeered some extra tsa money for his state on the ruse that any breach of security in hawaii would be devastating for the local economy. i think hawaii may have one of the highest proportions of government employees in the u.s. - it really is a welfare state - so this is not surprising. but i would not stand for confrontational comments unrelated to security and would immediately call for a tsa supervisor.

Update 7/1/2003

DCA=shoe hell, remove or get the secondary

RDU Terminal C=no; recommended now but I walked through w/o incident

PDX

ID Hell=no

Shoe Hell=no, recommended but not required (I declined to remove my shoes and got a nasty look, went through the detector without a problem).

LGB
ID Hell = No
Shoe hell = ~~ (passed metal detector, asked to sit and remove shoes to be swabbed, no other search)

ACY (Atlantic City, NJ)

ID Hell: Yes. Idiots checked my BP 3x between the entrance and exit of "security". Hey, Jimmy Loy you SCUMBAG! This is why you have 1)long lines and 2)financial problems. You're paying 3 people to to 1 person's job and that 1 person's job isn't necessary.

Shoe Hell: Sort of. Refused to deshoe, had to sit down and get swabbed with shoes on. Hey, Jimmy Loy you MORON! Did the "chatter" you've mindlessly been responding to promise that shoes are the only place that terrorists would ever hide explosives????



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