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rickg523 Jun 7, 2019 11:52 am

I don't even understand this topic.
If you don't want to travel per Steves' recommendationsv, don't. If you do, go for it.
It's like saying I hate Cook's Illustrated, because you don't cook.

84fiero Jun 7, 2019 11:55 am


Originally Posted by iahphx (Post 31175992)
That's rich, given that he makes his money encouraging folks to fly to Europe. But, hey, if he goes to church and lights a few candles, he's made the necessary religious sacrifice for Mother Earth.

The Man in Seat 61's website is very good for getting you started if you need to take a train in a place you're unfamiliar with. But keep in mind that he likes trains A LOT MORE than you do (unless you're a train nut). Reading his website once convinced me to take an overnight train between Bangkok and Chiang Mai instead of a low cost flight. That's when I learned this lesson. So don't assume that his advice that the train is the best transport option is correct for you.

I use Seat 61 a lot but agree that for non "rail fans", you do have to be cautious with his enthusiasm for some options at times. I am a fairly big rail fan myself, coming from a railroad family, but my wife isn't. So I have to take that into account when I want to try a train service that seems interesting to a geek like me, but Mrs 84fiero might not enjoy! :eek: And even I will sometimes choose the more efficient air option anyway, depending on the situation.

As for Steves, his affable manner is great for presenting and narrating. When I was growing up, before the internet, the main sources of travel ideas/inspirations were my grandparents' stories and slide shows (actual photographic slides - not PowerPoint :p) from their trips and Rick Steves' shows on PBS. So I have a soft spot for him. I still occasionally borrow one of his books from the library when I just need to get past the traveler's equivalent of writer's block - and I've enjoyed downloading a few of his podcasts for certain sites. I don't tend to find his books very practical for the actual nitty-gritty of planning and logistics for me, personally. Though it's tough for a printed book to keep up with what's online nowadays.

I'm not really political in general anymore, so I do tune out when I've seen Steves get sort of "politically preachy" in more recent spots.

pinniped Jun 7, 2019 12:48 pm

Just visited Seat 61 for the first time. Holy cats...that's a rabbit hole I could get lost in for hours just reading about the various great train journeys.

rankourabu Jun 7, 2019 2:51 pm


Originally Posted by iahphx (Post 31179925)
From my experience (30 years worth), LP guidebooks these days tend to be haphazardly updated. Steves SERIOUSLY updates his guidebooks every year. Steves is extremely good with basic Eurpopean logistics for fast-moving American tourists. If I quickly need to know how to get from the airport into town, or how to avoid a long line getting into a museum, Steves' guidebooks are the first place I look. While his guidebooks aren't perfect, I highly recommend them for newbie travellers. I don't recommend LP for such travellers.

I agree about LP - they used to be the go-to guidebooks throughout my 20s for information (not so much hotels/dining). But really in the last decade they are exactly as you describe.

iahphx Jun 8, 2019 5:34 am


Originally Posted by rankourabu (Post 31180908)
I agree about LP - they used to be the go-to guidebooks throughout my 20s for information (not so much hotels/dining). But really in the last decade they are exactly as you describe.

The strangest European guidebooks were the "Let's Go" series, which was written by Harvard students. I think they still publish one title, but most have been discontinued. Imagine a guidebook written by young, very inexperienced travellers. What could go wrong? Lots, which I guess is why the brand disappeared. Getting advice from amateurs is usually not very useful.

I've read lots of guidebooks over the years, and my favorites are the Hawaii Revealed books. They can be a bit controversial at times -- including stuff the locals don't want to have included -- but, jeez, there's some useful and very updated information about Hawaii travel in those books. I wish every destination had a guidebook that good.

akl_traveller Jun 8, 2019 9:18 pm

I loved Lonely Planet when I was backpacking but I think it occupies an odd middle ground now; most of the accommodation it mentions are well beyond a backpacker's means.

84fiero Jun 8, 2019 9:52 pm


Originally Posted by iahphx (Post 31182344)
The strangest European guidebooks were the "Let's Go" series, which was written by Harvard students. I think they still publish one title, but most have been discontinued. Imagine a guidebook written by young, very inexperienced travellers. What could go wrong? Lots, which I guess is why the brand disappeared. Getting advice from amateurs is usually not very useful.

I've read lots of guidebooks over the years, and my favorites are the Hawaii Revealed books. They can be a bit controversial at times -- including stuff the locals don't want to have included -- but, jeez, there's some useful and very updated information about Hawaii travel in those books. I wish every destination had a guidebook that good.

I wish I could remember which "Let's Go" book I picked up once at the library some time back. I do recall that it was really...goofy is the word that comes to mind!

Definitely agree about the Hawaii Revealed series - highly useful and among my favorite series of guidebooks (have used the books for Maui, Big Island, and Oahu).

rickg523 Jun 8, 2019 10:57 pm


Originally Posted by iahphx (Post 31182344)
The strangest European guidebooks were the "Let's Go" series, which was written by Harvard students. I think they still publish one title, but most have been discontinued. Imagine a guidebook written by young, very inexperienced travellers. What could go wrong? Lots, which I guess is why the brand disappeared. Getting advice from amateurs is usually not very useful.<br /><br />I've read lots of guidebooks over the years, and my favorites are the Hawaii Revealed books. They can be a bit controversial at times -- including stuff the locals don't want to have included -- but, jeez, there's some useful and very updated information about Hawaii travel in those books. I wish every destination had a guidebook that good.

I still have a Let's Go!, I picked up in a used bookstore. Europe 1970 edition. They're actually not too bad, just listings of youth hostels, cheap hotels, and eateries with the kind of tourism tips that 20 year olds backpacking for the summer would be interested in. Very much of it's time.<br />You want the real deal for hippie expats in the 60's 70's check out the hard to find "Vagabonding through Europe and North Africa" by Ed Buryn. That one had specific information about things like where to find work picking grapes, how to buy a car in Dam Square (no paperwork required, just buy it and drive off), buying baggage insurance at the Italian border and how that could be useful, where to go in Istanbul before starting on the "hippie trail" to India. That book is an awesome peek at a kind of travel that's no longer possible.


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