Unused Portion of Ticket
Mar 26, 2002 | 2:01 pm
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Unused Portion of Ticket
Bonbrow
Posts: 22
From: austin, tx 78727
Registered: Jun 2001 posted 11-14-2001 06:40 PM
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I found a great deal from AUS to NYC via DTW, but I really only want to go to DTW. What happens if I stay in DTW and return to AUS without using that 2nd portion?
eastwest
Posts: 1485
From: OP Gold, HH Gold (Living/Freezing in Anchorage, AK)
Registered: Aug 2000 posted 11-14-2001 06:44 PM
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Several things:
1. You won't be able to use any more of that ticket (ie - the return flight.)
2. You could have your FF miles earned for that flight denied.
3. You could have your entire FF acct seized and closed.
In general, it's not pretty and not a good idea.
Bonbrow
Posts: 22
From: austin, tx 78727
Registered: Jun 2001 posted 11-14-2001 07:13 PM
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Wow . . after all my hard work to make Elite, would not want risk that. Thanks!
daniellam
Posts: 538
From: YVR, 3rd year Business Admin. Student (Accounting/Finance) @SFU.CA, CX/UA F RTW, AA-Gold, Planning AONEW3 trip.
Registered: Dec 2000 posted 11-14-2001 08:11 PM
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If you are say, grandma visiting grandchildren on a round-trip ticket but later decide to stay and help take care of the grandchildren and not use the return portion of the ticket, then you are fine.
(Assuming you don't even have a frequent flyer account with the airline)
Otherwise, I would advise against not using the return portion.
UAL Traveler
Posts: 1520
From: EWR and BKK; UA MP:1K, TG ROP:Gold
Registered: Oct 2000 posted 11-14-2001 08:40 PM
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The industry calls this 'hidden city ticketing.' As noted above, it is not permitted by the airlines, but in practice it usually does not result in problems, other than the remainder of the ticket becoming invalid.
quinella66
Posts: 39
From:
Registered: Sep 2000 posted 11-15-2001 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by UAL Traveler:
The industry calls this 'hidden city ticketing.' As noted above, it is not permitted by the airlines, but in practice it usually does not result in problems, other than the remainder of the ticket becoming invalid.
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You are correct. But I personally find it appalling that after they are deregulated to charge whatever they want, they want to regulate us in how we purchase. This is a FREE ENTERPRISE economy. If a grocery store was dumb enough to charge more for 1/2 gallon of milk than a whole gallon, why shouldnt the consumer buy the bigger container and toss the unused portion?
I have not been in this situation, but I cannot imagine they can actually prove that you did not have something come up that changed your schedule or you simply missed your flight. Sure they are the judge and jury of their own programs, but they also care a thing about keeping customers and probably would not call you a liar if it happened once.
This is similar to the situation where the Sat stay sometimes triples the price. I was once booked on two round trip flights by a company at $400 instead of paying $1200 for a single one without a Sat stay. The airline never said anything but then again I was not using a latter portion of the tickets.
JS
Posts: 2626
From: NYC
Registered: Sep 2000 posted 11-15-2001 08:45 AM
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What does this have to do with deregulation? Airlines are the ones requiring flight coupons to be used in order, not the government. It's not impossible to have a rational fare structure, as evidenced by Southwest Airlines.
quinella66
Posts: 39
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Registered: Sep 2000 posted 03-26-2002 09:29 AM
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<<What does this have to do with deregulation? Airlines are the ones requiring flight coupons to be used in order, not the government. It's not impossible to have a rational fare structure, as evidenced by Southwest Airlines. >>
Sorry for the late reply. This has everything to do with deregulation. Under regulation, airlines fares were set by the government and they were assured a profit. Under deregulation, they can charge whatever price they choose under whatever conditions they want. Under regulation, they would not be able to charge 3 or 5 times the price for identical tickets where the only difference was whether or not the passenger stayed over a Saturday night. Many other countries have regulated domestic flights and you can purchase a flight any time on any schedule and basically you pay whatever the fixed price is based on the destinations. You will not get huge discounts, but you will not get gouged either because your schedule resembles that of a business traveler. My opinion on this matter is simple, the airlines can be deregulated to sell as they please, then the customers should be deregulated to buy as use as they please.
Posts: 22
From: austin, tx 78727
Registered: Jun 2001 posted 11-14-2001 06:40 PM
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I found a great deal from AUS to NYC via DTW, but I really only want to go to DTW. What happens if I stay in DTW and return to AUS without using that 2nd portion?
eastwest
Posts: 1485
From: OP Gold, HH Gold (Living/Freezing in Anchorage, AK)
Registered: Aug 2000 posted 11-14-2001 06:44 PM
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Several things:
1. You won't be able to use any more of that ticket (ie - the return flight.)
2. You could have your FF miles earned for that flight denied.
3. You could have your entire FF acct seized and closed.
In general, it's not pretty and not a good idea.
Bonbrow
Posts: 22
From: austin, tx 78727
Registered: Jun 2001 posted 11-14-2001 07:13 PM
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Wow . . after all my hard work to make Elite, would not want risk that. Thanks!
daniellam
Posts: 538
From: YVR, 3rd year Business Admin. Student (Accounting/Finance) @SFU.CA, CX/UA F RTW, AA-Gold, Planning AONEW3 trip.
Registered: Dec 2000 posted 11-14-2001 08:11 PM
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If you are say, grandma visiting grandchildren on a round-trip ticket but later decide to stay and help take care of the grandchildren and not use the return portion of the ticket, then you are fine.
(Assuming you don't even have a frequent flyer account with the airline)
Otherwise, I would advise against not using the return portion.
UAL Traveler
Posts: 1520
From: EWR and BKK; UA MP:1K, TG ROP:Gold
Registered: Oct 2000 posted 11-14-2001 08:40 PM
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The industry calls this 'hidden city ticketing.' As noted above, it is not permitted by the airlines, but in practice it usually does not result in problems, other than the remainder of the ticket becoming invalid.
quinella66
Posts: 39
From:
Registered: Sep 2000 posted 11-15-2001 08:38 AM
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quote:
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Originally posted by UAL Traveler:
The industry calls this 'hidden city ticketing.' As noted above, it is not permitted by the airlines, but in practice it usually does not result in problems, other than the remainder of the ticket becoming invalid.
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You are correct. But I personally find it appalling that after they are deregulated to charge whatever they want, they want to regulate us in how we purchase. This is a FREE ENTERPRISE economy. If a grocery store was dumb enough to charge more for 1/2 gallon of milk than a whole gallon, why shouldnt the consumer buy the bigger container and toss the unused portion?
I have not been in this situation, but I cannot imagine they can actually prove that you did not have something come up that changed your schedule or you simply missed your flight. Sure they are the judge and jury of their own programs, but they also care a thing about keeping customers and probably would not call you a liar if it happened once.
This is similar to the situation where the Sat stay sometimes triples the price. I was once booked on two round trip flights by a company at $400 instead of paying $1200 for a single one without a Sat stay. The airline never said anything but then again I was not using a latter portion of the tickets.
JS
Posts: 2626
From: NYC
Registered: Sep 2000 posted 11-15-2001 08:45 AM
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What does this have to do with deregulation? Airlines are the ones requiring flight coupons to be used in order, not the government. It's not impossible to have a rational fare structure, as evidenced by Southwest Airlines.
quinella66
Posts: 39
From:
Registered: Sep 2000 posted 03-26-2002 09:29 AM
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<<What does this have to do with deregulation? Airlines are the ones requiring flight coupons to be used in order, not the government. It's not impossible to have a rational fare structure, as evidenced by Southwest Airlines. >>
Sorry for the late reply. This has everything to do with deregulation. Under regulation, airlines fares were set by the government and they were assured a profit. Under deregulation, they can charge whatever price they choose under whatever conditions they want. Under regulation, they would not be able to charge 3 or 5 times the price for identical tickets where the only difference was whether or not the passenger stayed over a Saturday night. Many other countries have regulated domestic flights and you can purchase a flight any time on any schedule and basically you pay whatever the fixed price is based on the destinations. You will not get huge discounts, but you will not get gouged either because your schedule resembles that of a business traveler. My opinion on this matter is simple, the airlines can be deregulated to sell as they please, then the customers should be deregulated to buy as use as they please.
Mar 29, 2002 | 6:16 am
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<< My opinion on this matter is simple, the airlines can be deregulated to sell as they please, then the customers should be deregulated to buy as use as they please. >>
The customers are not regulated by the government. That is the definition of regulation (as in airline de-regulation).
I agree, the fare structure doesn't make any sense. There are usually ways to get around the high price of a last minute ticket to a hub (e.g., discount airline or end-to-end on two cheaper routes).
However, you are talking about using a fare sale for AUS-NYC to fly to DTW. The fare sale is only for AUS to NYC. If you don't want to fly to NYC, you can't make use of the fare sale. Wait for a fare sale to DTW.
The customers are not regulated by the government. That is the definition of regulation (as in airline de-regulation).
I agree, the fare structure doesn't make any sense. There are usually ways to get around the high price of a last minute ticket to a hub (e.g., discount airline or end-to-end on two cheaper routes).
However, you are talking about using a fare sale for AUS-NYC to fly to DTW. The fare sale is only for AUS to NYC. If you don't want to fly to NYC, you can't make use of the fare sale. Wait for a fare sale to DTW.