dhalloway writes: Let me see if I can explain my opinion more clearly. It effects my experience and that of others. It's as others have said here about the restaurant analogy. It's the reason Disney requests that there be no flash photography on it's attractions. It effects the experience.

Second, let me say that I think there is a big difference between sloppy and casual wear. I'm mainly talking about sloppy.

Also, I did not state that I am "offended" by someone wearing a T-Shirt, swimming trunks, and having bare feet. Just dissapointed that my experience has been deminished by their lack of consideration of this particular environment, and how their actions might effect others experience.

Also, I would not (and did not) call flying a "social occasion." But it is a "social setting" IMHO. Especially considering the physical proximity of the social participants!

It's not about what I want to wear that I'm talking about. It's the fact that I feel I should use good judgment as to what would be inappropriate in the situation, and my consideration that my conduct may have an effect on whether or not someone else has a pleasant flight.

We may just have a disgreement over how we view things. I know and have many friends and family who just say, "What do I care?" and actually take pleasure out of "shocking" those around them with their dress or other characteristics, and they say as much. That's fine for them, I guess. But I just happen to be one of those guys that, even though I might believe what I'm doing is right and appropriate, would be concerned if others did not. And I may change my actions based on that consideration.

Again, in First Class, the airlines always require their employees flying as passengers in the First cabin, to be dressed appropriatly so as not to deminish the First Class experience for others. That's a good thing, IMHO.



[This message has been edited by PremEx (edited 08-17-2000).]

I wear a tuxedo, black tie, patent leather shows and wingtip shirt only on evening flights.

Otherwise, it is too pretentious.

Yikes, we need to get you to a real five-star restaurant... I've never been to a five-star restaurant where the food was "basically" like any I'd ever had in my life! That's the whole point... the food is phenomenal, and if the food were merely fast-food quality (basically), no one would go... you can't enjoy an elegant atmosphere eating Chicken McNuggets...


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Mister Internet observes: Now there's certainly something to be said about that too. But then again, there's nothing quite as enjoyable as a good hamburger and a glass of Opus One!

Now, how about those crummy First Class passengers that come back and use the Coach restrooms? Somethings got to be done about that!

Warning to JSrombough:

I've got five segments in F on CO on Friday and Saturday of this week. I'll likely be wearing shorts and a t-shirt on all segments. Plan your travels accordingly.

What PremEx said.

I plead for a little decorum, is all. Gotta side with JSrombough on this.

even the TOP fashion designers have gone casual... tee shirts are not the same as they used to be, there are $700.00 designers tee shirts and jeans, guys... like, Prada, Gucci, Iceberg, Versace etc. etc.... would you be offended if either Pamela Lee, Raquel Welch or Jennifer Lopez (trying to hit all age group here ) wore just a tank top and shorts in her first class seat next to you?


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belle3388 questions: Well..er...umm...I guess there are exceptions to every rule?

I have!!! Although, I actually believe it was cultural, rather than inappropriate attire or any disrespect. As a chauffeur, I have probably "attended" more funerals than most, but will never forget all the bare feet of 1985. Services were at Forest Lawn, Hollywood Hills California USA and you should have seen the raised eyebrows.

Well I am afraid I must be condemned to the t-shirt wearing riff-raff. However, I never wear shorts or jeans on an aeroplane (wouldn't want to stick to the seats) and I don't go barefoot. Please, please, please will you reconsider letting me sit in first class with the ticket I have paid for?

But if you were not wearing both pants and shoes, I as gate agent would love to be able to say "I would be happy to refund you the difference between First and coach -- one moment please" (type type type)

You'd have to be crazy to be barefoot on a plane. Just think what the toilets are like after 7 hours on a transatlantic...

Oh, man. That's a whole other subject. I can't tell you how many times I've seen folks come out of the lo in their bare feet!

Yeech!

... and then put them up on the bulkhead wall. Oy vey!

As someone whose spouse's usual attire is t-shirts, slacks, and birkenstocks without socks, the idea that you can make judgements about someone based on their clothing raises my hackles. Clothing does not designate "riff raff" behavior does.
I do admit that my husband dresses up to travel (not a suit and tie, but a nice button down, or polo shirt). My children also dress "appropriately" for travel. We've run into parishoners in airports and their first comment is "Deacon Dan's wearing socks." It's not always easy to have a t-shirt spirituality