I'm curious about this. The way Travelterminal explains it ( http://www.travelterminal.com/glossary.shtml#end_on_end ), it sounds like nested ticketing. Same thing or not?

Here's the specific explanation:

End to End is as described.

Nested would be

Fri JFK-LAX
Sat LAX-SAN
Sun SAN-LAX
Mon LAX-JFK

You book JFK-LAX as a ticket
and LAX-SAN as a seperate ticket.

I've done both. There can be a tremendous savings. I was shocked to discover that BDL-AMA was $700+ WITH a saturday stay. I instead nested BDL-DFW ($200) and DFW-AMA ($107).

Another one - BDL-LCH is $200 without a Saturday stay, with a stop in IAH. Midweek IAH is around $600. You can book BDL-IAH-LCH then a LCH-IAH for $100.



------------------
"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own."

Boomer:

I don't get it. What's the difference between your example, and the AAA-BBB-CCC example. Seems to me they are the same. Am I missing something?

AAA = JFK
BBB = LAX
CCC = SAN

Original example, followed by your example:
AAA-BBB, BBB-CCC, CCC-BBB, BBB-AAA
JFK-LAX, LAX-SAN, SAN-LAX, LAX-JFK

Thanks,

Ken Hamer

I have to ditto what KenHamer asked. I don't see the difference between nested and end-on-end. Perhaps I should have asked my follow up question as well.

I want to upgrade this entire itinierary:

PDX - IAD
IAD - FRA
FRA - IAD
IAD - PDX

I definitely get a better fare overall if I break it. But then I have to shell out double for the upgrade. Don't want to do that. How can I ticket this with UA to get the break on the fare AND the upgrade??

The thing you need to be careful of is whether ticketing it that way is against the rules or not of the fares you're buying ...

If it is against the rules you will need to make sure to ticket on different airlines, because if you use the same airline and enter your FF number, don't be surprised if the airline figures out you're breaking the rules ...

If you are caught doing this by the airline, it used to be that the travel agent would get assessed the difference as a penalty. I have heard of FF accounts being forfeited lately, esp. since travel agents becoming extinct.

I agree w/ Beckles: safest way is to use different airlines. Problem: alliances: you think the various partners have their computers talking to one another good enough yet for two different airlines in the same alliance to catch on?

What rules are you breaking by flying from one city to the other and then continuing on to another? You aren't throwing away any return tickets to make use of a cheaper round-trip fare to effectively garner a one-way. Can the airlines dictate when and where I fly when using legitimate tickets in a legal manner? Me thinks not! Am I dense or missing something? Please expound.

[This message has been edited by flyme2 (edited 09-10-1999).]

I agree with those who see a difference.

I would expect the airline to object to this:
AAA-BBB
..BBB-AAA
..[Saturday night]
..AAA-BBB
BBB-AAA

but not to this:
AAA-BBB
..BBB-CCC
..[Saturday night]
..CCC-BBB
BBB-AAA

Of course, I don't think they really have any cause to complain about either, after all their argument is that with cheap tickets we give up flexibility, changeability, refundability, blah, blah, blah. That said, I think the difference (in airline rules) is that in the first case you're returning to your point of origin. I disagree with the airlines.

I actually did the latter in 1995. YOW-[Wed]BWI-[Fri]BOS-[Tue]BWI-[Tue]YOW. I thought of it and asked the company travel agent. I expected to get two separate tickets, but the four segments were on one ticket (USAir). It was about C$600 versus C$1200 to go YOW-BWI-BOS-YOW on USAir. I was in Baltimore for two days on the way out, but only about an hour on the way back (it was just to save the money).

I had an interesting conversation with a CP agent yesterday. We were chatting about things (I was in the process of booking all my B fares through December so I guess she could give me some time . One thing that came up was how high YOW-YVR is without a Saturday ($3000, more than YOW-YVR-LAX) and she mentioned back-to-back (the first example above).

She said that if I asked for it, she wouldn't necessarily refuse to sell me interlocking tickets (b-t-b). I suggested to her that if I were doing it through a travel agent, I'd go with two airlines, but if I bought both from her, I didn't think CP could refuse to honour the tickets. And I do think that would stand up, in court if necessary: if I have two back-to-back tickets issued by the airline on the same phone call, I believe there's an implied acceptance of my itinerary on their part.

They could refuse to honour the ticket if issued by an agent, or even if self-issued on their site, but if a human representative of CP gives me those two itineraries at the same time, I think they're stuck with them. Comments?

Thanks!
andrew

IMHO there is nothing wrong with all the examples above or which is not made clear (except for Andrew Webber). The only thing is, that one could poosibly miss his connecting flight and could be a "NO SHOW" to the airlines if there is any delay?
I think "nestled" to be something totally different (reg. the meaning of "nest", too). This would if you are flying a lot between a city pair and then buy one expensive rt ticket from A - B / B - A and another, highly reduced ticket, from b - a / a - b for dates within the date range between the first ticket and then using the first way of the expensive one and the first way of the cheap one for one itinery and vice versa for your second.
oct 1st A - B
oct 3rd b - a
(meet restrictions like sat nt.)
oct 10th a - b
oct 13th B - A

This is what "nestled" means and this is what airlines don't "appreciate". You are supposed to buy two of the expensive ones. This BTW is the only way airlines could detect your fraud against all of the ones mentioned above.

I tried on my quite often flown city pair DUS - MUC within Germany. It did work sometimes in the past, but doesn't any longer. You won't even get the tickets any more.


[This message has been edited by bernie (edited 09-12-1999).]

[This message has been edited by bernie (edited 09-12-1999).]

I learned a few years ago something that surprised me greatly and has saved me a ton of money. I'm sure you more experienced FTers know it, but for the benefit of anyone new or someone like me who just didn't realize you could do this, you can really save money and add flexibility.

Here's what it is. When an airline advertises a super-cheap Saturday-night-stay-required fare. They usually have similar cheap fares to many cities. Almost always, they will sell you a ticket from AAA-BBB-CCC-AAA for the same discounted rate! That is, your total fare would be half of the three round-trip fares!

You can actually build this itinerary yourself online and see. The only thing to be sure of is that the "V" class (or whatever) is available on all the legs you are taking.

I recently booked a SEA-NYC-WAS-SEA trip for $475 using this method. And you don't have to stay over a Saturday night in EACH city---only once after you leave! I used this method two years ago to fly SEA-WAS-NAS-SEA (Saturday stay) for $700 instead of SEA-WAS-SEA (no Saturday stay) for $1800. It was actually Hunnybear's and my first date, scuba diving in the Bahamas. So I think you can see why I have fond memories of this method.

Yes, and if your corporate policy allows you to do this on the company's dime, then you can get a lot of "side" trips tacked onto your business trips. I'm "notorious" for taking side trips to SEA "on my way back" to BUF from MKE. It actually saves the company several hundred dollars in airfare to allow me to do this over a weekend instead of just flying me home on Friday... win-win situation.

Well I flew this two weeks ago

Day 1 Pittsburgh to Raleigh
Day 2 Raleigh to Newburgh
Day 3 Newburgh to Raleigh
Day 4 Raleigh to Pittsburgh

All on USAirways. American Express ticketed it all together without question and USAirways gave me all my miles including FC bonuses w/o incident.

I didn't stay over a Saturday yet, but the combined fare was several hundred cheaper than two separate roundtrips. It also made sense for me since it was non-stops and I had business in Raleigh both days. Worked well for me and saved the company money overall.

I recently booked the following flights:

Ticket "A"

Thurs. SEA/IAD/BWI
Wed. BWI/DEN/SEA

Ticket "B"

Thurs. BWI/IAD/RIC
Sun. RIC/IAD/BWI

After the reservations were made, UAL changed the flight times on ticket "A" so that I would be departing from IAD to BWI on Thursday, prior to my arrival time.

When I explained my total itinerary, they were most accommodating about rerouting me as follows:

Thurs. SEA/IAD/RIC
Sun. RIC/IAD/BWI
Wed. BWI/DEN/SEA

And, they worked very hard to arrange a fare that was equal to the original fare and said there would be no problem whatsoever in checking my luggage straight through. I just need to show both tickets at check-in in SEA.

The bad news is that I lose 2 segments (1,000 status miles that I don't need, and 2,000 miles overall). The good news is that I save several hours and a lot of bouncing around that would only make sense to WebFlyers.

Punki, you madwoman! I love it!