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SA100 Dec 27, 2023 1:06 am

The Kings Messenger
 
Anyone had a Kings messenger on their flight ?



https://www.fcdoservices.gov.uk/what-we-offer/secure-logistics/kings-messengers/

Buster CT1K Dec 27, 2023 1:11 am

Thanks for the link. It’s a bit jarring to see that every messenger is a white make. I assume the messengers are the ones with medals around their necks.

SKT-DK Dec 27, 2023 1:20 am


Originally Posted by Buster CT1K (Post 35852304)
Thanks for the link. It’s a bit jarring to see that every messenger is a white make. I assume the messengers are the ones with medals around their necks.

Gosh, can we please not make every single thing a question of race, gender or whatever else people seem to make up offences about?!

To the OP’s question, no I have never seen one of said messengers.

southsquare Dec 27, 2023 1:33 am


Originally Posted by SKT-DK (Post 35852313)
Gosh, can we please not make every single thing a question of race, gender or whatever else people seem to make up offences about?!

To the OP’s question, no I have never seen one of said messengers.

There are circumstances in which they are fairly discreet: you won't necessarily be aware of their presence. As to protected characteristics, some/many are retired from service careers. Their characteristics (protected or otherwise) may reflect those of the demographic pool from which they were chosen at the date of appointment.

Ldnn1 Dec 27, 2023 1:42 am

I think I was on a flight with one from DUB a few weeks ago actually. Ended up in the lift with him in arrivals. Not 100% sure it was one of these chaps but certainly on official business.

antichef Dec 27, 2023 1:43 am


Originally Posted by SA100 (Post 35852293)
Anyone had a Kings messenger on their flight ?



https://www.fcdoservices.gov.uk/what...gs-messengers/

Yes. We were both travelling long haul in business class. The crew were rather discreetly protective of him, for obvious reasons.

However we had previously met in relation to both of our prior armed forces service lives! When we started to chat the crew appeared just to make sure he wasn't being bothered, and once assured we were old colleagues equally discretely withdrew.

SA100 Dec 27, 2023 1:43 am


Originally Posted by SKT-DK (Post 35852313)
Gosh, can we please not make every single thing a question of race, gender or whatever else people seem to make up offences about?!

To the OP’s question, no I have never seen one of said messengers.

are you speaking as white brit?

They do have a point, out of 30 people not one brown faced brit can be trusted with a diplomatic bag. Tho trusted enough to be rank and file solders.

Tho I would say Britain is far more open and out there with diversity than other countries. Having lived in Germany and Denmark that have had 2nd generations migrants Germany with Vietnamese connection before the wall fell and West Berlin with the Turkish. You still don’t see much diversity in areas such as news readers on screen. The power of seeing Trevor McDonald on our screenin the 70s can have a huge impactto people. It maybe nothing to do you. But we still have an old boys club for the nice but dim privately educated people that if they had different life wouldn’t be in the postion they are in now as they got their due to connections not merit.

DYKWIA Dec 27, 2023 1:46 am


Originally Posted by SA100 (Post 35852337)

Tho I would say Britain is far more open and out there with diversity than other countries. Having lived in Germany and Denmark that have had 2nd generations migrants Germany with Vietnamese connection before the wall fell and West Berlin with the Turkish. You still don’t see much diversity in areas such as news readers on screen. The power of seeing Trevor McDonald on our screenin the 70s can have a huge impactto people. It maybe nothing to do you. But we still have an old boys club for the nice but dim privately educated people that if they had different life wouldn’t be in the postion they are in now as they got their due to connections not merit.

Relevence to BA?

SA100 Dec 27, 2023 2:18 am


Originally Posted by DYKWIA (Post 35852340)
Relevence to BA?

they fly BA the most, flying out of London. Another fun topic canned due to the heavy handed censors of fun

SKT-DK Dec 27, 2023 2:20 am


Originally Posted by SA100 (Post 35852337)
are you speaking as white brit?

No I am not. Let me ask you this though: do you take offence to the fact that pretty much all domestic helpers in cities like Hong Kong and Singapore are Filipino? I do not hear anybody crying about that.

And by the way, you talk about ‘brown faced’ Brits not being trusted with government secrets - last time I checked the prime minister fell in that category (and I suspect many would take offence to your ‘labelling’ them as such…)

In any case, this has zero to do with BA so I suggest we move on.

Dave Noble Dec 27, 2023 2:34 am


Originally Posted by SA100 (Post 35852373)
they fly BA the most, flying out of London. Another fun topic canned due to the heavy handed censors of fun

Moving a thread to a forum from one where it is not relevant to a potentially suitable forum is not censorship but simply good moderating

SA100 Dec 27, 2023 2:42 am


Originally Posted by Dave Noble (Post 35852401)
Moving a thread to a forum from one where it is not relevant to a potentially suitable forum is not censorship but simply good moderating

That’s what the Chinese call it too

SA100 Dec 27, 2023 2:48 am


Originally Posted by SKT-DK (Post 35852376)
No I am not. Let me ask you this though: do you take offence to the fact that pretty much all domestic helpers in cities like Hong Kong and Singapore are Filipino? I do not hear anybody crying about that.

And by the way, you talk about ‘brown faced’ Brits not being trusted with government secrets - last time I checked the prime minister fell in that category (and I suspect many would take offence to your ‘labelling’ them as such…)

In any case, this has zero to do with BA so I suggest we move on.

this is what aboutism the subject was about UK societal structure and how the civil service picks the special ones and how the old boys club is still alive and kicking. You have to be twice as good and work twice as hard to get ahead still in many parts of society in the Uk if you are a British born but brown brit. Over a white one from a fee based school.

Rishi was never elected PM. We will see what fhe Brit’s think later next year

Waterhorse Dec 27, 2023 2:53 am


Originally Posted by SA100 (Post 35852337)
are you speaking as white brit?

They do have a point, out of 30 people not one brown faced brit can be trusted with a diplomatic bag. Tho trusted enough to be rank and file solders.

Tho I would say Britain is far more open and out there with diversity than other countries. Having lived in Germany and Denmark that have had 2nd generations migrants Germany with Vietnamese connection before the wall fell and West Berlin with the Turkish. You still don’t see much diversity in areas such as news readers on screen. The power of seeing Trevor McDonald on our screenin the 70s can have a huge impactto people. It maybe nothing to do you. But we still have an old boys club for the nice but dim privately educated people that if they had different life wouldn’t be in the postion they are in now as they got their due to connections not merit.

While we are at it, can we have more female bricklayers, it is a 99% male dominated trade. Also, perhaps let’s balance in the prison population which is 90% male😜 Meanwhile on SS Titanic, why was it right that they adopted the Birkenhead drill? Women and children first, that seems hugely sexist too. Please sir, do tell me when another bandwagon comes along I need to jump on one. Are they like buses, you wait forever then two come along at once?

Happy Christmas everyone

SKT-DK Dec 27, 2023 2:58 am


Originally Posted by Waterhorse (Post 35852428)
While we are at it, can we have more female bricklayers, it is a 99% male dominated trade. Also, perhaps let’s balance in the prison population which is 90% male😜 Meanwhile on SS Titanic, why was it right that they adopted the Birkenhead drill? Women and children first, that seems hugely sexist too. Please sir, do tell me when another bandwagon comes along I need to jump on one. Are they like buses, you wait forever then two come along at once?

Happy Christmas everyone

Amen to that (or will that offend someone too?)!


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