I’m not offended I just pitty you, if you can’t see the point of the argument and need to use a ship that sank over a century ago or use the agrument of brick layers - not an exclusive job for a handful of people to make a point. I have news for you. You are not making your point well.

Cheers Bud, happy Christmas, hope the bandwagon jumping goes well for you👍 Ps, invest in a spell checker Pitty and agrument?

On a recent AA flight from CLT to RDU. Boarded first and bag took up a decent amount of space.

apologies English is my 4th language. It’s shame you could not come back with a compelling argument.

The UK parliamentary system does not have the prime minister as a directly elected position but is simply down to the internal mechanism of the party to decide who its leader is. The leader of the party that was elected into power becomes the Prime Minister

Mr Sunak became leader of the Conservative party in line with the rules of the party - same as every other Prime Minister; if a member of a party, you may get to vote on who its leader is

It’s a shame you didn’t make a compelling argument, and then when you got a response that did not agree with your assertion, you went ad hominem, which weakened your initial premise further - you know the old rhetorical saw, if you cannot attack the argument you attack the person making it.

There will always be areas where the make up of those within it is different from those in society, you can cherry pick them as much as you want, but it is funny how the hard graft physical jobs and such never get looked at as something we need to equalise for race, creed, colour, sex, sexual orientation etc. Personally I ONLY care about competence - the rest is window dressing. As to the antiquity of my examples, I also referenced the Birkenhead drill which dates from 1852, a mere 60 years before the Titanic, not that it changed the validity of my point, keep up old boy.

Happy Christmas

that maybe the case, but when people vote they are voting for Kier or Rishi and their policies. And ticking the box with what ever MP is attached the party, He’s not faced an election as PM. The Tory party didn’t want him as the PM. Are Brit’s ready to elect a party leader who is brown? We will find out.

That makes his achievement of becoming a Conservative PM all the more remarkable.

At election time, people are voting for the candidate that they would like to represent them in parliament

At the risk of diving in here to a cesspit. The photo is not accurate - its taken from a function involving serving and retired members, and we have no idea how many were invited, how many attended, and how many were working or unable to attend. You cannot draw any reasonable conclusion from a snapshot photo of a reception from 7 years ago.

HMG recruitment processes are intentionally 'colour blind' - the applicants name, location, place of birth, date of birth and gender are are concealed from sifting panels. Every panel has an independent member on it to ensure people are scored objectively and fairly. There is alsop a strong commitment to improving representation across the Civil Service, and a recognition that it should be more representative of the nation. If you visited FCDO you'd see a diverse workforce of people from across the country and a variety of backgrounds, ethnicities and faiths working together to help serve the UK abroad.

I'm sorry that you are so closed minded and determined to spot imagined racism in any picture possible that you've jumped to this conclusion from one random picture and ignored the reality of the FCDO today.

More widely, Kings Messengers are a very small organisation due to the emergence of email and electronic working. They will usually appeal to a certain type of person, often single, and usually ex military, who enjoys spending long periods of time away from home and on the road. Its a fairly tedious and tiring job and one that not everyone would enjoy.

That is of course the theory, but certainly nowadays (vs. say the 1920s), the 20,000-60,000 swing votes which decide which party ends up in power are heavily influenced by the party leaders.

We regularly had the Queens messengers on CX .MNL-HKG was quite regular. They travelled in F and were polite and well behaved, unlike some. I always allowed them to board early and settle in as a curtasy. As a group, I just wish all passengers were like them.

The OP clearly has no idea who might apply for the job. I would estimate that the public school educated numbers are close to 0%, since the recruitment is not pitched at the retired officers who would form the bulk of public school educated candidates. The job appeals to, and is pitched at, people who have had full career elsewhere first (usually in the armed forces) and who held an appropriate and current security clearance. The vast bulk of those will have served in the ranks.

That does not reflect the % of current diverse serving population of the armed forces, but the selection process is often skewed by those who apply for the job.

The OP seems to have a different agenda - so I will now depart this thread.

Where did I attack ? Evidence please ? If the eton lot wanted a bricky job they could easily get one.

the issue here is with small elite jobs if you can not see that argument. That’s up to you. Just look at the number of PM’s from eton and in the cabinet. It’s very easy to see

as I mentioned Britain is doing better then most countries on diversity.

Yes you have a diverse number of MPs in top positions. And even some of those are so dumb to pander to the racists to get votes. Creating policy and laws that would have limited access to their parents generation of those rules applied then.

I would be interesting to see know how many former high ranking military people of color are part of the Kings Messengers and how many were asked and turned it down.

my experience dealing with the Home office high ups is it still very stuffy and the people at the top on the civil service are from the fee paying schools.

I get why it happens, I’m not a native but live in London and as an outsider looking in it’s def the energy that’s holding Britain back. Brexit, no HS2. The echo of empire still rings o so loud for still so many.

You clearly do not understand what a Kings Messenger is and what they do, read Jimlads post just a few up, it’s not a job for former high ranking officers, more an ex SNCOs job - that’s to do with the type of people who are attracted to the job and the remuneration offered.

Personally I want PMs to come from the best educated people in the UK, if Eton, Harrow, Winchester, and Oxbridge educated candidates rather than some local comprehensive and an old school Polytechnic, then I don’t think that’s unreasonable -as I said I value ability and competence, I do not care for quotas, which are generally a salve who think that a protected characteristic trumps ability - try that is a safety culture and watch people die.

Anyhow, having met and worked with Kings Messengers (actually most were Queen’s Messengers) over many years, it is clear you do not really understand the issue, their background or diversity or otherwise and just wanted to spout your criticisms of UK society, safe in the knowledge that you are an “outsider” with an agenda - I fail to see why Brexit has got anything to say on the matter of KMs.

Anyway, I’m bored with this silly to and fro.

You went ad hominem with your first response to me where all you did was pitty (sic) me. you are of course right in everything you say and assert, it’s all the fault of stale, pale, male members of the public school boys who run the UK. 🥱