FlyerTalk Forums

FlyerTalk Forums (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/index.php)
-   TravelBuzz (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travelbuzz-176/)
-   -   737-Max 8 safety concerns (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travelbuzz/1960175-737-max-8-safety-concerns.html)

Silver Fox Mar 13, 2019 11:13 am

It's called erring on the side of caution.

gfunkdave Mar 13, 2019 11:28 am

Here's some more perspective...

https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-s...n-the-737-max/

Badenoch Mar 13, 2019 11:29 am


Originally Posted by sddjd (Post 30882344)
Meanwhile, the FAA continues to be FACT and DATA based, something politicians and media blissfully ignores.

The FACT is the FAA ignored the pilots.

Meanwhile, Canada grounded the 737 Max today.

And the Eithopians don't trust America to investigate the crash.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/worl...-737-max-8-to/


Ethiopian Airlines has decided to send the black box from its crashed airplane to Europe for analysis, rather than to the United States where the Boeing 737 Max 8 was manufactured.

The decision, in defiance of U.S. requests, is the latest sign of the world’s growing distrust of the United States on aviation safety issues. While U.S. regulators and Boeing have continued to insist that the Max 8 is safe, most other countries have ordered the grounding of the aircraft, leaving the United States increasingly isolated on the safety issue.

sddjd Mar 13, 2019 11:54 am


Originally Posted by Badenoch (Post 30882464)
The FACT is the FAA ignored the pilots.

And the Eithopians don't trust America to investigate the crash.

This illustrates my point perfectly- the FAA bases its airworthiness classifications on data and facts, not the complaints of a small handful of pilots that did not even fall under formal reports. Further, the two documented instances had nothing to do with MCAS and were autoflight anomalies easily addressed without said flights returning to origin. It's interesting, but not surprising, that all are jumping on "the FAA ignored pilots" while ignoring that the APA (representing over 15,000 pilots) has stated its support of the plane.

As for ETH refusing to send the black boxes to Boeing, more political theater. Who does the airline think the EU will consult with to evaluate the data recorders? Next we'll read that they'll ask Airbus SE to review the data as an impartial party.

"The decision, in defiance of U.S. requests, is the latest sign of the world’s growing distrust of the United States on aviation safety issues." - This is pure reporter click-bait commentary and must be why so many countries continue to order and operate these jets. It's most troubling that investigations are now being influenced by media and emotions in lieu of study.

MSPeconomist Mar 13, 2019 12:39 pm

Trump just announced an emergency order to ground the MAX 8 and MAX 9 in the USA. Planes currently in flight can continue to their (next) destination.

Gig103 Mar 13, 2019 1:09 pm


Originally Posted by sddjd (Post 30882344)
Meanwhile, the FAA continues to be FACT and DATA based, something politicians and media blissfully ignores.

Unfortunately, Donald Trump has decided to overrule fact and data.
"We're gonna be issuing an emergency order to ground all flights of the 737 MAX 8 and the 737 MAX 9, and planes associated with that line," Mr. Trump told reporters.
Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-a...-live-updates/

emma69 Mar 13, 2019 1:14 pm

The guy finally did something right!

Herb687 Mar 13, 2019 1:54 pm


Originally Posted by emma69 (Post 30883004)
The guy finally did something right!

Made a knee-jerk emotional decision that was not data-driven?

So now we have 7M8 and 7M9s grounded. For how long? What does anyone (FAA, Boeing) plan on doing during this grounding that will mean we will know more in a week or a month than we do today in order to unground the fleet?

Ok, so we are "investigating" stuff with these aircraft? What is being investigated? We already have a pretty good handle on what happened with Lion Air.

ricardojrsousa Mar 13, 2019 1:58 pm


Originally Posted by Gig103 (Post 30882982)
Unfortunately, Donald Trump has decided to overrule fact and data.
"We're gonna be issuing an emergency order to ground all flights of the 737 MAX 8 and the 737 MAX 9, and planes associated with that line," Mr. Trump told reporters.
Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-a...-live-updates/

Disagree. Their tweet / release clearly states that this was done in light of new data...


"The agency made this decision as a result of the data gathering process and new evidence collected at the site and analyzed today."

This leads me to think something is wrong indeed. Specially if, as you stated, they base themselves on data.

s0ssos Mar 13, 2019 3:21 pm


Originally Posted by Herb687 (Post 30883248)
Made a knee-jerk emotional decision that was not data-driven?

So now we have 7M8 and 7M9s grounded. For how long? What does anyone (FAA, Boeing) plan on doing during this grounding that will mean we will know more in a week or a month than we do today in order to unground the fleet?

Ok, so we are "investigating" stuff with these aircraft? What is being investigated? We already have a pretty good handle on what happened with Lion Air.

We do? What's the "good handle" on what happened with Lion Air?

Silver Fox Mar 13, 2019 3:34 pm


Originally Posted by Herb687 (Post 30883248)
Made a knee-jerk emotional decision that was not data-driven?

So now we have 7M8 and 7M9s grounded. For how long? What does anyone (FAA, Boeing) plan on doing during this grounding that will mean we will know more in a week or a month than we do today in order to unground the fleet?

Ok, so we are "investigating" stuff with these aircraft? What is being investigated? We already have a pretty good handle on what happened with Lion Air.

Was the decision on 9/11 data driven? Was every single plane either in or likely to enter US airspace hijacked? No data to support that was there?

Herb687 Mar 13, 2019 4:17 pm


Originally Posted by s0ssos (Post 30883710)
We do? What's the "good handle" on what happened with Lion Air?

Faulty angle of attack (AOA) sensor data causing flight control software to trim stabilizer nose down.

Herb687 Mar 13, 2019 4:21 pm


Originally Posted by Silver Fox (Post 30883768)
Was the decision on 9/11 data driven?

You chose just about the poorest comparison possible given how much of what was done in the wake of 9/11 was completely knee-jerk and emotional.

s0ssos Mar 13, 2019 4:33 pm


Originally Posted by Herb687 (Post 30883980)
Faulty angle of attack (AOA) sensor data causing flight control software to trim stabilizer nose down.

Oh, so has that issue been fixed?

Silver Fox Mar 13, 2019 4:43 pm


Originally Posted by Herb687 (Post 30884010)
You chose just about the poorest comparison possible given how much of what was done in the wake of 9/11 was completely knee-jerk and emotional.

That was my point. Perhaps I misunderstood yours. Could you clarify?


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 1:15 am.


This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.