kicked off a flight for no reason?
Dec 16, 2018, 3:51 pm
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kicked off a flight for no reason?
There are numerous stories of people getting kicked off of planes for no valid reason.
This is may be the most convincing one found on YouTube. I know there were 2 sides to every story and when not hearing the one from the airlines, I don't know, but it seems like this guy's neighboring passengers are all supporting him. You combine this with reports of FA's losing it during a flight and I wonder what is the chance that a decent person will be kicked off a flight for some sort of a innocent misunderstanding or miscommunication.
Why didn't the agent's involved listen to this guy's neighboring passengers? Guess they see this as a point of no return
This is may be the most convincing one found on YouTube. I know there were 2 sides to every story and when not hearing the one from the airlines, I don't know, but it seems like this guy's neighboring passengers are all supporting him. You combine this with reports of FA's losing it during a flight and I wonder what is the chance that a decent person will be kicked off a flight for some sort of a innocent misunderstanding or miscommunication.
Why didn't the agent's involved listen to this guy's neighboring passengers? Guess they see this as a point of no return
Dec 16, 2018, 6:49 pm
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It happens sometimes - reasons include power-tripping FAs, lack of onboard FA supervisors (on U.S. airlines), FAs not properly trained in conflict resolution and other public-interaction skills, the terrorism bogeyman, overuse of "safety" as a vague but easy excuse. Captains will usually side with the flight crew because it's in their personal best interest to do so. Though the Captain's authority to refuse to transport is supposed to be bound by certain legal parameters, but it's easy enough to cite safety based on the thinnest of FA complaints - and there seems to be little to no review of such decisions by airline management.
See for example
https://papersplease.org/wp/2012/08/...t-let-you-fly/
https://papersplease.org/wp/2012/08/...o-let-you-fly/
See for example
https://papersplease.org/wp/2012/08/...t-let-you-fly/
https://papersplease.org/wp/2012/08/...o-let-you-fly/
Dec 16, 2018, 10:17 pm
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Would like to see what happened prior to the recording.
I would also make a complaint directly to the Captain saying the FA is not stable for some unknown reason and not safe to carry out their duties in my opinion.
I would also make a complaint directly to the Captain saying the FA is not stable for some unknown reason and not safe to carry out their duties in my opinion.
Dec 16, 2018, 10:49 pm
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I agree, and like I initially said, there could be 2 sides to such stories but what impressed me in this video is that the neighboring passengers, who obviously saw what happened, aggressively came to his side, to the point, that they seem to walk off the plane.
Dec 17, 2018, 2:10 am
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Dec 17, 2018, 6:20 am
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That said, it does seem a bit bizarre, but again, we don't know what happened before the video recording started.
Dec 17, 2018, 6:40 am
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Listen closely to the video. These are not random strangers but friends traveling as a group. Toward the end one refers to the guy as "my friend." It was also one of the "friends" who did the taping, was the biggest loudmouth and posted the video. We are only getting one side of the events.
Whether the decision was fair or not, once the decision is made there's no going back no matter what anyone else in the cabin says.
Whether the decision was fair or not, once the decision is made there's no going back no matter what anyone else in the cabin says.
Dec 17, 2018, 9:18 am
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The decision to remove a passenger is made by the Captain (or perhaps by law enforcement should they make a physical arrest). Forget all the silliness of edited YouTube videos, rants about power-tripping FA's and the like.
People who can't behave are disruptive and ought to be removed and then banned from further travel.
People who can't behave are disruptive and ought to be removed and then banned from further travel.
Dec 17, 2018, 9:33 am
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OK
My real reason for posting was the concern that one of these out of control FA's (what about the FA that grabbed a beer and slid down the escape chute) you see on TV or internet will inappropriately throw a passenger off for no valid reason. That sounds like an awful lot of unchecked power.
Are you saying that the pilot is always involved in such decisions, and does he have to come out and investigate himself?
My real reason for posting was the concern that one of these out of control FA's (what about the FA that grabbed a beer and slid down the escape chute) you see on TV or internet will inappropriately throw a passenger off for no valid reason. That sounds like an awful lot of unchecked power.
Are you saying that the pilot is always involved in such decisions, and does he have to come out and investigate himself?
Dec 17, 2018, 9:47 am
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Hypothetically, the captain agrees that the FA is not (mentally) stable. That means this person must be removed from the plane. Now the crew no longer meets the FAA requirements, because virtually all flights these days are only staffed to the absolute minimum.
Now, nobody is going anywhere until a replacement FA is found and the captain's schedule is shot to hell.
Does that seem like a good outcome to folks?
Does it seem likely the captain will do this because a passenger is upset at being removed from the flight?
Dec 17, 2018, 9:58 am
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