is it worth flying 1100 miles to fight red light camera ticket for right turn on red?
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If you're worried at all about it just hire a traffic lawyer as others have suggested. Should cost more than $300, much less in some areas. Peace of mind, and a lot less hassle than appearing in court yourself.
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OP, if you're not going to name the jurisdiction that issued the citation (or at least the state, assuming this happened in the US), there is literally nothing useful anyone on here can do for you.
The consequences of a photo red light ticket beyond the fine vary so widely between jurisdictions that the correct answer to the question also necessarily depends on knowing the local laws.
As a quick example, if you got nailed in DC or Maryland, the correct answer is to pay the ticket--it'll cost more to beat it than the fine, and it's basically a parking ticket so there are no consequences besides being out $125 (and you can't fight it based on lack of service). If you got nailed in Arizona, it's a moving violation that might eventually make it to your MVR (depending on where you're licensed) and raise your insurance, so it might be worth fighting (and you could potentially fight based on lack of service)... unless you're licensed in a non-compact state like Wisconsin, outside the US and Canada, etc etc.
The consequences of a photo red light ticket beyond the fine vary so widely between jurisdictions that the correct answer to the question also necessarily depends on knowing the local laws.
As a quick example, if you got nailed in DC or Maryland, the correct answer is to pay the ticket--it'll cost more to beat it than the fine, and it's basically a parking ticket so there are no consequences besides being out $125 (and you can't fight it based on lack of service). If you got nailed in Arizona, it's a moving violation that might eventually make it to your MVR (depending on where you're licensed) and raise your insurance, so it might be worth fighting (and you could potentially fight based on lack of service)... unless you're licensed in a non-compact state like Wisconsin, outside the US and Canada, etc etc.
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My GPS announces red light cameras. Is that the case in USA?
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I have to ask... why? Where I live, people are horrible about running lights and I constantly have it in the back of my mind that I may get t-boned by someone doing 45 mph. I'm not talking barely making the yellow, I see people running fully red lights every single day. Yesterday, I was on my way to work and had just stopped at a red. Car in the other lane to my left just blows through it. The cross light was definitely green. If not cameras, local police really need to do something about this. I've heard a lot of hate for red light cameras but I really don't see why. Honest question.
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Yes, if the database is up to date. Here in Phoenix, Waze is about 50/50 accuracy on the fixed cameras.
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Just make sure that any camera in overwatch can't identify you.
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I had this exact same thing happen to me once. Philadelphia was the jurisdiction.
I just paid the ticket. This was about 5 years ago and the ticket was closer to $100 than $300, so it was an easy call, even though I was a little mad about it. I assumed there was some chance that the intersection had a no-right-turn rule, but I didn't bother calling to find out. Also some chance it was a total scam. But wasting any amount of time on it was going to cost vastly more than $100. It's the only ticket I've had in the past 15 years (including since), so I wasn't concerned about getting booted from my insurance or losing my license.
Uber and Lyft have reduced my car rental activity by 75% so hopefully I won't run into this one again.
I just paid the ticket. This was about 5 years ago and the ticket was closer to $100 than $300, so it was an easy call, even though I was a little mad about it. I assumed there was some chance that the intersection had a no-right-turn rule, but I didn't bother calling to find out. Also some chance it was a total scam. But wasting any amount of time on it was going to cost vastly more than $100. It's the only ticket I've had in the past 15 years (including since), so I wasn't concerned about getting booted from my insurance or losing my license.
Uber and Lyft have reduced my car rental activity by 75% so hopefully I won't run into this one again.
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I have to ask... why? Where I live, people are horrible about running lights and I constantly have it in the back of my mind that I may get t-boned by someone doing 45 mph. I'm not talking barely making the yellow, I see people running fully red lights every single day. Yesterday, I was on my way to work and had just stopped at a red. Car in the other lane to my left just blows through it. The cross light was definitely green. If not cameras, local police really need to do something about this. I've heard a lot of hate for red light cameras but I really don't see why. Honest question.
http://www.motorists.org/issues/red-...ase-accidents/
They tend to be big money makers for the city though!
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I'd say go and fight it, it's a large scam all over the country. They actually disabled them where I am in Florida due to the fact the county had a fight with the provider and the fact they were actually creating more accidents. Many people fight them and unlike when a cop pulls you over, you can't face your accuser in court (the red light camera).
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Usually the cities contract with the firm that installs these cameras as a turn-key situation. The firm installs for free, and does all the work, including evaluation of the footage, while the city just gets a slice of the revenue. They don't need to be honest!
This is certainly worth fighting, the question is how. Flying there isn't going to make any difference.
Sending mail to city officials and the local press might get something done. Who knows how many citizens are getting ripped off here by a system that is setup to squeeze revenue out without making anyone more safe.
I'd call a local lawyer and see what s/he can do. There might be the possibility of class-action or possibly some good publicity that they might take care of it for free. You never know!
Let us know what ends up happening.
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I have to ask... why? Where I live, people are horrible about running lights and I constantly have it in the back of my mind that I may get t-boned by someone doing 45 mph. I'm not talking barely making the yellow, I see people running fully red lights every single day. Yesterday, I was on my way to work and had just stopped at a red. Car in the other lane to my left just blows through it. The cross light was definitely green. If not cameras, local police really need to do something about this. I've heard a lot of hate for red light cameras but I really don't see why. Honest question.
2) The majority of red light camera tickets are written to people turning right on red. Normal right-on-red procedure with a bunch of cars has a high probability of being flagged by the camera. (You stop. When the car at the front of the line turns everyone else moves up. Drivers doing that are moving very slowly and pay no attention to where the stop line is. Unless things happen to line up just right the camera will consider it red light running.)
3) The cameras are deliberately placed with an eye towards situations that cause a high number of violators. Before cameras the answer to a high number of violators at an intersection was to increase the yellow. It works very well at bringing down the number of violators--but now they dial the yellow back to the legal minimum (and often less!) and put in a camera. (Note that speed cameras have a similar problem--they're always placed where the speed limit is too low.)
Note that even without cameras you can see this problem by looking for where the cops run traffic. In my entire driving experience I have only seen cops running traffic where there was some discrepancy between the law and what a reasonable driver would do in the absence of signs. (Or their entrapment of having someone step off a crosswalk at a point where you have to make a very hard stop to avoid crossing the crosswalk they are in, but if you continue on you will be past before they reach your lane.)
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I have to ask... why? Where I live, people are horrible about running lights and I constantly have it in the back of my mind that I may get t-boned by someone doing 45 mph. I'm not talking barely making the yellow, I see people running fully red lights every single day. Yesterday, I was on my way to work and had just stopped at a red. Car in the other lane to my left just blows through it. The cross light was definitely green. If not cameras, local police really need to do something about this. I've heard a lot of hate for red light cameras but I really don't see why. Honest question.
The nearest one is in a town that was once known (realistically or anecdotally) for its speed traps. Now it has red light cameras. I feel stressed driving near their cameras because I know from experience that the yellow light does not stay yellow long enough for a car 30 feet from the intersection to safely cross through before the light turns red. And people slam their brakes on when the light turns yellow because they know there's not enough time to do anything else but hope your brakes are good.
Also, the speed limit before the red light camera is 45 mph. Less than fifty feet on the other side, the speed limit drops to 40 mph. So even if you somehow successfully rush through the light, someone may cite you for speeding on the other side.
So I hate red light cameras.
Last edited by aquamarinesteph; Jan 28, 2018 at 4:12 pm Reason: Edited to fix an incorrect speed limit in my post