David Randles

Hey everyone,

First I would like to thank everyone that replied to my first thread and took the survey.

I'd like to follow up by asking what everyone thinks would make people to be cleaner in the lavatory? What would make people feel obliged not to make a mess? Is it about better design or changing peoples behaviour?

lhrsfo

As people, particularly in the USA, become more selfish, so they don't bother cleaning up after themselves. Societal change is what is required, nothing less.

cdn1

ignorant and selfish behaviour is what drives it. Or many are leaving it as close as they found it. Self-cleaning toilets would be better but that would put excessive demand on the limited water supply on longhaul flights.

rjw242

The former can drive the latter.

Bogwoppit

Problem is many people are not clean at home, other people clean up after them or they just do not care.

No way to make pigs behave better in shared spaces.

Unless the lav was reviewed after each visitor, and the score placed on the IFE screens for all to see. "Passenger in 12b 10/10. Passenger in 2c 2/10", nothing will ever make people change.

emrdoc

I like that idea! ^

Jimmie Jet

Haha, toilet cops, love it

Welltended3

One reason we no longer fly Economy: fewer people to share lavs with. Really. Disgusting. Singapore seemed to actually clean up during the flight from PEK to Singapore. Amazing. RReason to use them instead of United for OW. Grumpy UA FAs too important to tidy.

C W

The trash bins in airplane lavs are often misused and people don't push their used paper towels all the way into them as they have strong spring loaded lids. This is likely because people don't want to touch the lids.

swingaling

Installing video surveillance in the lavs would do the trick, but there'd probably be some pushback.

The following could work:

1. Lavs locked by default when unoccupied.
2. Scan BP to unlock/enter unoccupied lav.
3. Camera mounted inside lav takes a single pic of empty lav prior to allowing admittance.
4. When pax departs the lav, camera takes another single pic of the newly-empty lav (post usage).
5. FAs review footage when there's a bad lav situation and fine guilty pax for being gross OR just name and shame them over the PA.

Realistically, though, some people are just gross pigs and I wouldn't expect them to change.

awayIgo

It is unfortunate that some are pigs. It is also unfortunate that the person who started this thread decided to make stereotypical judgements against a certain nationality. I wonder if he spends his time in flight, monitoring and rating the lav and nationality of each user. Otherwise, I'm not sure how he is qualified to make his statements.

In terms of piggish people. Some individuals really don't have any idea of how inappropriate their behavior was. I stood waiting for the person using the lav ( business) to exit. She did and I looked in to find the person had left toilet paper all over the floor and the seat. I walked out and approached a FA saying it needed to be cleaned since it was disgusting. The pig, heard my conversation and commented, "I just used it and it wasn't left disgusting." I invited her to go back and look--she declined to do so and the FA went in and played personal maid!

Bogwoppit

Did I miss this? I reread his post multiple times looking for the judgements you mention. I cannot see anything.

C W

Can't see it either.

cynicAAl

my biggest complaint is pee on the floor, likely from men who pee while standing. I get it; standing to pee while sometimes having to hold the toilet seat up with the other hand and while trying to brace yourself into a tiny space during turbulence is not optimal. And I'm sure plenty of men don't lift the seat, which leaves more pee on the seat. Basically, we men are the problem. Can we just get a lav with a urinal and a sink ? Leave the toilets for the ladies.

rickg523

I looked too. I think the reference is to post #2 . The comment about Americans becoming more self-centered. As an American, I'll only contest that "becoming" part. Americans have always been less than enthusiastic about the social contract. Probably a side-effect of the pioneer cultural meme.