Small Planes?
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Small Planes?
Is it near impossible to take a big plane on a domestic (U.S.) flight nowadays? My wife hates flying and greatly prefers bigger planes. We searched flights going from the West and Midwest to the East Coast and even flights from one coast to the other (SEA to JFK, for example) and they all seem to be various hopper flights on planes like the RJ-900 or the smallish 737 at the largest (and even those are short).
Do airlines just not fly the bigger jets like the 747 or the 757 domestically anymore, except maybe LAX to LGA? It seems like you pretty much have to be flying transcon to fly a bigger jet now, no? It also seems pretty much useless to fly first class on the smaller jets too, because the seats are barely bigger and the service isn't that much different ($500-$1K extra for a bottle of water and an extra smile, no thanks).
Do airlines just not fly the bigger jets like the 747 or the 757 domestically anymore, except maybe LAX to LGA? It seems like you pretty much have to be flying transcon to fly a bigger jet now, no? It also seems pretty much useless to fly first class on the smaller jets too, because the seats are barely bigger and the service isn't that much different ($500-$1K extra for a bottle of water and an extra smile, no thanks).
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While the CRJs are small jets, 737 are certainly not. A Cessna Caravan or Beechcraft 1900 are small commercial airplanes.
The 737 and A320 have the range to fly pretty much all domestic routes (apart from a couple of exceptions) and smaller planes but more frequent flights is generally preferred by customers. A 747 is just waste of good airplane on those routes.
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Clearly you've never been on small planes.
While the CRJs are small jets, 737 are certainly not. A Cessna Caravan or Beechcraft 1900 are small commercial airplanes.
The 737 and A320 have the range to fly pretty much all domestic routes (apart from a couple of exceptions) and smaller planes but more frequent flights is generally preferred by customers. A 747 is just waste of good airplane on those routes.
While the CRJs are small jets, 737 are certainly not. A Cessna Caravan or Beechcraft 1900 are small commercial airplanes.
The 737 and A320 have the range to fly pretty much all domestic routes (apart from a couple of exceptions) and smaller planes but more frequent flights is generally preferred by customers. A 747 is just waste of good airplane on those routes.
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It varies with the airline and the route. I can usually find a 757 or larger when I really want one. It's also good to look for internationally configured aircraft being repositioned as domestic flights. But if you have a specific airline or route that can make it tough. The airlines have discovered the efficiency of flying the smaller long haul aircraft (late series 737 and A320/21 crafts). The seat cost is lower and they are easier to fill. It can be funny to watch a heavy loaded one trying to gain altitude.
The LAX departure for example calls for a Westerly departure Iver the Pacific for 5 miles then circle back over LAX headed east but if you watch the flight path departing LAX you will see many of those smaller jets cannot gain the requisite altitude to fly over LAX when coming back so they usually return south of LAX. On the Western departure they are often still gaining altitude long after a 757 would have been in cruise.
The LAX departure for example calls for a Westerly departure Iver the Pacific for 5 miles then circle back over LAX headed east but if you watch the flight path departing LAX you will see many of those smaller jets cannot gain the requisite altitude to fly over LAX when coming back so they usually return south of LAX. On the Western departure they are often still gaining altitude long after a 757 would have been in cruise.
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It varies with the airline and the route. I can usually find a 757 or larger when I really want one. It's also good to look for internationally configured aircraft being repositioned as domestic flights. But if you have a specific airline or route that can make it tough. The airlines have discovered the efficiency of flying the smaller long haul aircraft (late series 737 and A320/21 crafts). The seat cost is lower and they are easier to fill. It can be funny to watch a heavy loaded one trying to gain altitude.
The LAX departure for example calls for a Westerly departure Iver the Pacific for 5 miles then circle back over LAX headed east but if you watch the flight path departing LAX you will see many of those smaller jets cannot gain the requisite altitude to fly over LAX when coming back so they usually return south of LAX. On the Western departure they are often still gaining altitude long after a 757 would have been in cruise.
The LAX departure for example calls for a Westerly departure Iver the Pacific for 5 miles then circle back over LAX headed east but if you watch the flight path departing LAX you will see many of those smaller jets cannot gain the requisite altitude to fly over LAX when coming back so they usually return south of LAX. On the Western departure they are often still gaining altitude long after a 757 would have been in cruise.
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The tighter Y seat pitch and width being used more and more even in widebodies makes it sort of academic whether I'm on a larger or smaller mainline jet...the in-seat experience isn't likely to be much different in many cases.
Some of the RJs are dreadful (e.g., the CR2 aka Devil's Chariot) but a few can be decent. Personally the single seat side on the ER4, particularly the exit row, is one of my favorite Y seats across the board.
Some of the RJs are dreadful (e.g., the CR2 aka Devil's Chariot) but a few can be decent. Personally the single seat side on the ER4, particularly the exit row, is one of my favorite Y seats across the board.
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I haven't flown the route in a long time. Who flies smaller than 737/A320 SEA to NYC? Kayak doesn't show any.
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Why would you run a company out of nostalgia instead of profits? I miss flying on a widebody DEN-COS back in the 80's, with sometimes only 20 passengers. I miss catching the 777 DEN-ORD-DEN pre merger....
I would love nothing more than to see more mainline aircraft out of my home airport on United, but United does not operate based on what COSPILOT wants, they operate on what makes money.
I could fly Frontier out of COS all on mainline, but no thank you.
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I was wondering about that...
Semi-OT trivia: how often do airlines operate a route only one-way? Is anybody currently doing it into any of these popular airports with short-ish runways? DCA, MDW, LGA, etc.
Anyway, the plane size is a red herring once you're bigger than the Barbie jets like the CR2. It's all about how the airline configures it. Spirit flies nice big A320s...and they jam about 900 people into them.
IMHO, the best short-haul plane in the sky is the E170/190. It's significantly smaller than the Boeings and Airbii people usually prefer. No middle seats, and most operators have it configured approximately 18" x 32". If there's an F cabin, it's 1x2, making the "A" seats a very nice ride.
Semi-OT trivia: how often do airlines operate a route only one-way? Is anybody currently doing it into any of these popular airports with short-ish runways? DCA, MDW, LGA, etc.
Anyway, the plane size is a red herring once you're bigger than the Barbie jets like the CR2. It's all about how the airline configures it. Spirit flies nice big A320s...and they jam about 900 people into them.

IMHO, the best short-haul plane in the sky is the E170/190. It's significantly smaller than the Boeings and Airbii people usually prefer. No middle seats, and most operators have it configured approximately 18" x 32". If there's an F cabin, it's 1x2, making the "A" seats a very nice ride.
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but I fully agree it's the best ride in the 70- to 100-seat jet category ^
I don't think one-ways are all that common any more
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True...I guess I just think of midcons as short-haul and intercontinental as long-haul. 
I fly MCI-PDX on these planes semi-often. Sometimes the buy-up to F is about $100 and it's a very nice ride.

I fly MCI-PDX on these planes semi-often. Sometimes the buy-up to F is about $100 and it's a very nice ride.

