How much should airline passengers "self-police" rules that other passengers break?
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I believe that far different from policing the boarding line or hand washing in the lavs, though.
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Sometimes you just have to close your mind to what other people do. Ever been in a restroom at a restaurant? People come out of there all the time without washing their hands. Yes, even at buffet-style restaurants where their very next stop after the commode might be the silverware bin, the stack of plates or the drink dispenser. Or the food!
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One time I saw a great example of passenger policing. I was in first and we were taxiing on US leaving from STL. A guy in row 1 gets up while we're taxiing and starts walking back towards coach, gets out his cell phone and makes a call. The FAs are yelling at him to return to his seat and he is completely ignoring them pacing back and forth. As he passed me I told him he should light up a cigarette that way he could be breaking all the rules. Okay, I admit this wasn't helpful. Finally another guy in row 1 says something like, if you don't sit your stupid, drunk %#{ down I'm going to beat the }%*^£?€ *%#~ out of you. The guy in the aisle starts and then sits down and puts his phone away. Then the drunk is saying stuff like I like this guy he's got a pair and tells him he's going to buy him a drink when they get airborne. The sober guy says "we're in first class you idiot the drinks are free now shut up and behave". The guy went to nappy time shortly after so no more live in flight entertainment.
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But yeah, I generally agree with you.
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Of course, the most amazing are those who observe a fellow passenger doing something that gives them fits -- justifiably or not -- whereupon they say nothing, summon no airline person, but scurry straight to FT and complain into the void.
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If behavior is egregious bring it to the attention of the relevant person in authority. Otherwise MYFOB unless you are prepared to enter into a confrontation that may not turn out satisfactorily for you.
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I tend to speak up only when I am directly impacted. If there is a general rule being broken but I am not immediately impacted, I tend to keep it to myself unless it becomes egregious. For example, while I am against non-J/F pax using the J/F lavs, I tend to keep my mouth shut when I see it, unless it's the same person over and over.
However, I will call out line cutters, seat poachers, and so forth when they cut the line in front of me, or poach MY seat.
I tend to run into the line cutting issue on WN flights. The last time was a few months back. I was A29. An old man in front was A27. I saw his pass. A28 was directly infront of me. Saw her pass too.
I knew the guy was A27, so it was all the more amusing when his wife showed up and they made a point of verbally announcing via a pretend conversation that SHE was A27. Knowing what they were up to, I piped up "Well, you can't BOTH be A27..there must be some mistake!" and then offered to "help" them by asking them to show me their BP's. She was A55. I smiled and winked as I mentioned the rule that if you want to board together, you line up with the person who has the highest number. Oh, they were suddenly grumbly after my "help".
Another incident was at KEYW some years ago. Silver Airways computers went down, and they could not fly a single aircraft. The lines were crazy, the terminal was wall to wall people...all of whom were going to miss their connections at MIA, FLL and TPA. The line for the customer service desk was at least a two hour wait. After an hour, when I was 3rd from being next, a young guy just skipped the line entirely and walked to the desk..because obviously his crisis was more important than anyone else's...I called him out with "Does the line not apply to you?" and had the support of the crowd. Even the CS agent, poor thing, smirked at this..although she should have simply told him to get in line with everyone else instead of leaving it up to other customers.
Oh, and after having observed a Y pax open a bin in F and walk back to Y, I simply removed his bags and replaced them with my own. When the FA asked whose bags they were, I told her it was someone in Y. She walked them back.
However, I will call out line cutters, seat poachers, and so forth when they cut the line in front of me, or poach MY seat.
I tend to run into the line cutting issue on WN flights. The last time was a few months back. I was A29. An old man in front was A27. I saw his pass. A28 was directly infront of me. Saw her pass too.
I knew the guy was A27, so it was all the more amusing when his wife showed up and they made a point of verbally announcing via a pretend conversation that SHE was A27. Knowing what they were up to, I piped up "Well, you can't BOTH be A27..there must be some mistake!" and then offered to "help" them by asking them to show me their BP's. She was A55. I smiled and winked as I mentioned the rule that if you want to board together, you line up with the person who has the highest number. Oh, they were suddenly grumbly after my "help".
Another incident was at KEYW some years ago. Silver Airways computers went down, and they could not fly a single aircraft. The lines were crazy, the terminal was wall to wall people...all of whom were going to miss their connections at MIA, FLL and TPA. The line for the customer service desk was at least a two hour wait. After an hour, when I was 3rd from being next, a young guy just skipped the line entirely and walked to the desk..because obviously his crisis was more important than anyone else's...I called him out with "Does the line not apply to you?" and had the support of the crowd. Even the CS agent, poor thing, smirked at this..although she should have simply told him to get in line with everyone else instead of leaving it up to other customers.
Oh, and after having observed a Y pax open a bin in F and walk back to Y, I simply removed his bags and replaced them with my own. When the FA asked whose bags they were, I told her it was someone in Y. She walked them back.
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No, next time she'll be poaching overhead space in F, then making that call or watching that movie without headphones because she thinks she can.
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How much should airline passengers 'self-enforce' various rules of boarding, etiquette, etc., when airline staff does not, cannot or will not?
For example:
I was in first class on a recent flight: group 1 for boarding. A bunch of FC passengers lined up at the boarding lane, and one lady then marched over and stood to the side at the front of the line. When boarding began, another FC passenger, very politely, let her go first. When she got to the gate agent, she handed the gate agent a boarding pass for another flight, which held all of us up. After some back-and-forth, the gate agent let a few of us board while she searched for the right boarding pass. So after I boarded, she got on the plane...and walked back to coach. Clearly she broke in line.
Another time, I saw a guy in the airline lounge washroom go from a stall straight to the main part of the lounge, without washing his hands. He went straight for the food, and served himself using his hands--not the large spoons or tongs that are there. I later saw him again in the washroom, exiting a stall (while talking on the phone), and he scurried straight for the exit, again without washing his hands.
At what point does a regular passenger call those people out on their behavior?
Thanks.
For example:
I was in first class on a recent flight: group 1 for boarding. A bunch of FC passengers lined up at the boarding lane, and one lady then marched over and stood to the side at the front of the line. When boarding began, another FC passenger, very politely, let her go first. When she got to the gate agent, she handed the gate agent a boarding pass for another flight, which held all of us up. After some back-and-forth, the gate agent let a few of us board while she searched for the right boarding pass. So after I boarded, she got on the plane...and walked back to coach. Clearly she broke in line.
Another time, I saw a guy in the airline lounge washroom go from a stall straight to the main part of the lounge, without washing his hands. He went straight for the food, and served himself using his hands--not the large spoons or tongs that are there. I later saw him again in the washroom, exiting a stall (while talking on the phone), and he scurried straight for the exit, again without washing his hands.
At what point does a regular passenger call those people out on their behavior?
Thanks.
For the second issue, yes, you should have said something - when I see it, and it seems to be a special feature of lounges in Canada where not only do people use their hands to grab food, but there have been reports of people licking or wiping the serving utensils. If I see it, I say something and I am not at all quiet, delicate or discreet about it. It's absolutely disgusting, selfish and rude to dig through a public platter of food with your hands, washed or not. I've yelled at people quite publicly in the SQ lounge (SFO), UA lounge and the AC lounge over this and I'm not ashamed of it one bit. It's just plain disgusting and it's one of the things I will not let slide.
Other items that should be reported would include self-upgraders, seat thieves, and cases where coach passengers stick their bags in First without permission when F customers have not boarded and the bins are almost full. Pretty much most other things are not worth getting into a huff over.
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If it isn't illegal or something that will affect the health of people(similar to the washing of the hands thing above) I'll mind my business.
I will say something if you are in my seat but if you have B26 and board at A25 I don't care and won't say anything. I'll consider it a good for you. If you sneak into an empty first class seat and don't get caught...good for you.
I fly SW and almost always fold my bp while in line just to mess with the "line police".
I will say something if you are in my seat but if you have B26 and board at A25 I don't care and won't say anything. I'll consider it a good for you. If you sneak into an empty first class seat and don't get caught...good for you.
I fly SW and almost always fold my bp while in line just to mess with the "line police".
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You should do it as many times as you are prepared to be told to perform a sexual act upon yourself by someone who is unimpressed by self-appointed hall monitors.
If behavior is egregious bring it to the attention of the relevant person in authority. Otherwise MYFOB unless you are prepared to enter into a confrontation that may not turn out satisfactorily for you.
If behavior is egregious bring it to the attention of the relevant person in authority. Otherwise MYFOB unless you are prepared to enter into a confrontation that may not turn out satisfactorily for you.