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The_Bouncer Aug 24, 2016 4:54 pm


Originally Posted by dinanm3atl (Post 27114508)
However saying that some of the 10-14 hour flights and are garnering 4, 6 or 8K round trip? It's nice but it's not THAT nice. I'd rather have another motorcycle I can enjoy whenever I want at that price.

Exactly. It's about opportunity cost.

If 4, 6 or 8k is not going to touch you, then sure. It's your money and it's your choice.

But if you can use that cash for something else, then there is far, far better value to be had.

That said, it's a personal thing. Different strokes for different folks.

pharmawalk Aug 25, 2016 5:57 am

The is nothing like leaving Amsterdam after a few days with friends and sliding into a lie-flat seat for the trip back across the pond.

schmoove Aug 25, 2016 6:47 am

The only waste of money is using it as kindling. I've only been in first class when I was walking through it to find my seat in coach but its easy to see why people would want to pay for it.

cur Aug 25, 2016 7:00 am


Originally Posted by TravelerMSY (Post 27113240)
It's kind of a no brainer when you're using miles at the saver level- since you're effectively paying the equivalent of deep-discount business. For instance, a 100k miles us-Europe in J at .015/mile = $1500.

It also depends on whether you consider your mileage balance to be a finite resource or not. And whether $1500 is a lot of money to you.

i agree but also it's just 8-10 hours each way and for 40% less i can deal with that....the very best value is booking y (or c) awards to less popular therefore much pricier destinations like minsk or armenia or something

again i always book c for awards but i'm starting to see appeal of going with y and getting more trips out of it

i also have opportunity to have j or c expensed for work but i choose to fly y and pocket the difference as a travel per diem/extra income.


Originally Posted by pharmawalk (Post 27116507)
The is nothing like leaving Amsterdam after a few days with friends and sliding into a lie-flat seat for the trip back across the pond.

ha funny you say that, i went to a wedding/4 day bender in icn. booked c both ways on oz to lax on the brand new 380 with the amazing new busines class seat....

i passed out during the safety demonstration, seat fully upright. i woke up with 3 hours to go. missed their amazing wine and dinner service. super upset i didn't just book y.

China Clipper Aug 26, 2016 6:54 pm

6-3, 225
 

Originally Posted by deniah (Post 27111506)
Thing is, time value is not equivalent. 3 hours of pampering does not offset 3 hours of torture.

Boy is that ever true. I have zero need or desire for 'pampering' --ever-- but I will go to extreme lengths to avoid being tortured.

Everyone should have to post their height and weight when holding forth in this thread http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...ile_tongue.gif

I pay out of pocket for domestic F every time I fly now. I simply cannot fit into coach seats anymore (Norma Desmond had a relevant remark) and on recent DL flights even F was cramped. Flying overseas, it depends on the airline/airplane whether J is adequate or one must pony up for F. Fortunately, we have miles for that, because we certainly don't have the money for it..

Taoyuan Aug 26, 2016 7:49 pm


Originally Posted by cur (Post 27116752)
i passed out during the safety demonstration, seat fully upright. i woke up with 3 hours to go. missed their amazing wine and dinner service. super upset i didn't just book y.

That is pretty painful.

Taoyuan Aug 26, 2016 7:50 pm


Originally Posted by The_Bouncer (Post 27114481)
Hmm. I'm not so sure about that. I've travelled long-haul premium class in the past, and I have to say I was not overwhelmed.

Yes, it's better than Y. But I certainly wouldn't call it luxury, and I certainly wouldn't pay thousands (or even hundreds) of dollars for it.

Now that I'm semi-retired and all of my travel is self funded, it's the back of the bus for me, and it really doesn't bother me.

For what I would pay for a single business-class upgrade, I can stay for three weeks in a decent, comfortable hotel room. Nothing flash, but comfortable.

A week's trip with a J flight, or a month's trip with a few hours in Y? No contest.

One trip in F or four trips in Y? Also no contest.

Flying in Y helps me to preserve my (reasonable, but not limitless) resources of points and miles, as well as my (reasonable, but not limitless) resources of cash.

This thread kind of begs the question: How much hard cash would you really be prepared to part with, to get that upgrade?

My answers:

Intra-Europe flight, or short domestic US: $10 maybe.

8-hour TATL, Y-to-J: about $75 max.

It's just not worth any more to me. $2000 to sleep on a 60cm wide fold-out bed, in a cabin full of 40 other people coughing and snoring and farting? No thanks. I'm happy down the back, drinking beer.

I am with you on that for the most part. I love getting CPUs, but it would be really hard for me to part with significant $ to upgrade. I did EWR-HNL once on the lie-flat and it was definitely a cool experience, but I'm also 100% okay sitting in back next time.

TravelerMSY Sep 4, 2016 4:45 pm

So funny the idea of meeting strangers on a 'private' jet.

rastaman777 Sep 6, 2016 4:11 am

2 hour flight domestic
 
We (4 adults, 1 baby) flying SYR-ATL-PEN. It's only 2 hour flight first segment, 30 minutes last segment.
We chose 1st for the convenience...seems like we r flying an old Delta MD-90 for the 2 hour segment.
Really not sure if it's worth the double fare as opposed to 'comfort plus' or even economy for such a short flight.
Thoughts?

poisson Sep 7, 2016 10:21 am

For a short domestic flight, paying out of your own pocket for 1st class seems like a waste of money.

For international flights, it seems like a great option. The seats are more comfortable and the meals are better.

Then again, I'd probably rather save the money and spend that on items during my trip.

Proudelitist Sep 7, 2016 1:27 pm


Originally Posted by rastaman777 (Post 27171712)
We (4 adults, 1 baby) flying SYR-ATL-PEN. It's only 2 hour flight first segment, 30 minutes last segment.
We chose 1st for the convenience...seems like we r flying an old Delta MD-90 for the 2 hour segment.
Really not sure if it's worth the double fare as opposed to 'comfort plus' or even economy for such a short flight.
Thoughts?

It's a short flight, so not worth the money. Especially at double the cost of coach. Comfort Plus maybe, as you do have a baby and could use any comfort you can get.

I only pay for domestic first beyond 4 hours. I try for the UG's for anything under that, but if it doesn't look good i still have a plus/comfort seat. That all changes of course, depending on the price of paying up. There is a rare deal every so often.

rastaman777 Sep 7, 2016 3:22 pm

Thanks for the input.

I agree, I think I should have just gone comfort plus. It's actually almost triple the price for the 1st class seats!
I think it's too late to drop down now, it's past 24 hours since booking.
This is first time flying with baby AND elderly parents so I think I was probably not thinking straight when booking.
Oh well...live and learn I guess!

gaobest Sep 12, 2016 9:36 pm


Originally Posted by cur (Post 27116752)
i passed out during the safety demonstration, seat fully upright. i woke up with 3 hours to go. missed their amazing wine and dinner service. super upset i didn't just book y.

But couldn't you still get food or drink after you woke, if there were still 3 hours to go? Also maybe you slept so well because you had a wider seat and more room, even if the seat was upright. Plus fewer PAX to disrupt you.


Originally Posted by China Clipper (Post 27124817)
I pay out of pocket for domestic F every time I fly now. I simply cannot fit into coach seats anymore (Norma Desmond had a relevant remark) and on recent DL flights even F was cramped. Flying overseas, it depends on the airline/airplane whether J is adequate or one must pony up for F. Fortunately, we have miles for that, because we certainly don't have the money for it..

I'm similar - I just only want to fly paid F. We rarely fly so I can't get free upgrades and I don't have enough miles. I prefer F because I think it's more helpful with IRROPS. But mostly I just like the bigger seat and the lower crowdedness factor. I know it's expensive but it's easier to do when we rarely fly.

Kagehitokiri Sep 14, 2016 10:24 am

SQ does not do tarmac transfers. jetquay does, even if flying Y LCC.

anyone who has not experienced certain kinds of accommodations can not imagine how they compare to normal "hotels" - there is zero comparison between fanciest private jumbo jets, EY Residence, let alone F, and what is possible at higher end of market re accommodations. some of us spend on accommodations instead of J/F.

gaobest, when flying paid F you should check out paid VIP services at commercial airports (better than LH FCT)


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