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Originally Posted by televisor (Post 26942670)

But you've been admitted into the USA which is de-facto the equivalent.

No it's not. You have been vetted but are de-facto not on US soil the way you would be on the grounds of an embassy. You are 100% subject to Canadian laws and not at all under US jurisdiction.

Preclearance is mainly a tool to ease travel...it helps airlines and airports offer services they might not otherwise be able to offer. (Think of all of the ex-Canada flights to domestic-only airports in the U.S. that wouldn't otherwise exist.)

I'm not sure why anyone would think the U.S. actually annexes little airport corrals all over Canada...

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Originally Posted by Ber2dca (Post 26935169)

It's undeniable. Ireland was part of the UK for a long time and many things remained essentially the same after independence. To this day the countries have incredibly close links especially commercially but also culturally.

Hmmm. Though it is true that Ireland was once part of the UK, it seems to me that Ireland has often gone in a different direction since leaving the UK. I've always assumed that there must be major differences to have caused this.

For example, in WW2 the UK was of course one of the recognized leaders in the worldwide effort to defeat Hitler--for example participating in the Tehran, Yalta, and Postdam conferences. By contrast Ireland was one of only a tiny handful of countries in the entire world to remain neutral throughout the war.

The UK's head of state--that would be Queen Elizabeth II--assumed the throne at age 25 but didn't make her first visit to Ireland until the age of 85. Waiting 60 years to visit your closest neighbor isn't exactly evidence of close ties.

More recently, Ireland seems to favor closer ties with Europe than does the UK. Ireland uses the Euro (unlike the UK) and seems unlikely to ever support something like Brexit. In fact there is talk of Brexit leading to Irish unification since Northern Ireland supports staying in the EU as does the rest of Ireland.

Extremely close ties don't necessarily mean fantastic political relations. The Anglo-Irish relationship is one of many contradictions.

Getting back to the original question, I think for the US and Canada at least, they really aren't truly "abroad". Then again, Abroad is not so much a technical term as it is a general concept. So going abroad in common terms is traveling to a country far away. I would never consider going to Canada or Mexico from the US as going abroad, as there are plenty of places where that is a day (or even hour) trip, and even by air is probably closer than the furthest reach of the Us you would be going to.

Of course it all depends on what country you are in.