Enough with "Not enough time"!
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I am a very languid traveller. I'll take a leisurely early breakfast, do some sightseeing in the mid-morning to early afternoon - I like this pattern as the crowds don't seem to show up in force until noon. If I've decided on a hotel with a nice pool, I will hang out there with a book. If not, I will find a cafe, camp with the book, and take in the local colour. Then I will wash and change and decide on dinner.
I am so ready to be a retiree.
I definitely do lean towards the "you won't have enough time" crowd. Although I'll usually phrase it as "I hope you like airports and subways." Certain destinations tend to get hyper-ambitious itineraries, particularly Western Europe and New Zealand.
I am so ready to be a retiree.
I definitely do lean towards the "you won't have enough time" crowd. Although I'll usually phrase it as "I hope you like airports and subways." Certain destinations tend to get hyper-ambitious itineraries, particularly Western Europe and New Zealand.
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I am a very languid traveller. I'll take a leisurely early breakfast, do some sightseeing in the mid-morning to early afternoon - I like this pattern as the crowds don't seem to show up in force until noon. If I've decided on a hotel with a nice pool, I will hang out there with a book. If not, I will find a cafe, camp with the book, and take in the local colour. Then I will wash and change and decide on dinner.
I am so ready to be a retiree.
I definitely do lean towards the "you won't have enough time" crowd. Although I'll usually phrase it as "I hope you like airports and subways." Certain destinations tend to get hyper-ambitious itineraries, particularly Western Europe and New Zealand.
I am so ready to be a retiree.
I definitely do lean towards the "you won't have enough time" crowd. Although I'll usually phrase it as "I hope you like airports and subways." Certain destinations tend to get hyper-ambitious itineraries, particularly Western Europe and New Zealand.

Using the local public transport system is one of my favourite parts of traveling.
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Thanks OP for this thread. I concur wholeheartedly.
It's one thing when geography makes travel a virtual impossibility.
But, if someone wants to just spend a day in London, that person should do so without the scorn of others.
It's one thing when geography makes travel a virtual impossibility.
But, if someone wants to just spend a day in London, that person should do so without the scorn of others.
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Agreed. However, telling someone that 1 day is not necessarily scorn. It is impossible to tell whether someone with whom one is conversing in a public forum is a person who just wants to spend a day in London or someone who is unaware of how much London has to offer. I think that it is possible that the scorn is in the mind of the receiver rather than the deliverer of the information.
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I have a trip in Feb, NYC-HKG-REP, CNX-ICN-NYC, with 8 or 9 nights on the ground, and I am considering at least 3 places.
Again, to the point of this thread - is that too much? Maybe.
But what is the alternative?
A 2 week trip to SE Asia will NEVER happen for us, or at least with kids.
The only times they are out for than 1 week is summer and the Christmas break. Summer is not the time to go to SE Asia, and holidays are difficult to get away (plus nearly a zero chance of 4 tickets in C). So it's either go or no.
The happy medium is unique to each person at any given time. There was a time we traveled moving every day. My wife laid down a 2-night rule - stay in one place for 2 nights, with few exceptions. Maybe because I'm the one that plans and books it, but she's the one who packs and unpacks
It's silly trying to impose one's own preferences on someone else.
Again, to the point of this thread - is that too much? Maybe.
But what is the alternative?
A 2 week trip to SE Asia will NEVER happen for us, or at least with kids.
The only times they are out for than 1 week is summer and the Christmas break. Summer is not the time to go to SE Asia, and holidays are difficult to get away (plus nearly a zero chance of 4 tickets in C). So it's either go or no.
The happy medium is unique to each person at any given time. There was a time we traveled moving every day. My wife laid down a 2-night rule - stay in one place for 2 nights, with few exceptions. Maybe because I'm the one that plans and books it, but she's the one who packs and unpacks

It's silly trying to impose one's own preferences on someone else.
Usually the heaviest rains and biggest flood threat come in September and October.
I assume REP and CNX are two of your targets. I went to Angkor twice (1997 by myself and 2000 with friends) at 3 days each...it's much more crowded now but will only get more so (especially in that Christmas-New Year bloc). Maybe you can avoid the worst of the worst by taking the major sites out-of-sequence (i.e. don't go to the Bayon in the morning, Ta Phrom at midday, the main temple in the afternoon and the overlook hill in the late afternoon...zig when others zag). Chiang Mai is much easier to see in 2-3 days than Bangkok.
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It's down to personal preference, as pretty much everyone has noted.
Personally - I believe that every visit somewhere should leave you wanting to return. I find that very liberating, as it means I no longer feel I have to 'see it all'. I can just do what I feel like there and then, with a few researched options in mind.
And then it comes down to interest as well. I used to work near the British Museum, and have visited it a fair few times, normally for special exhibitions. However, the permanent collections? Not my thing. I love the Great Court, there's some impressive woodblock prints, and the mummies are always good for a wander through, but there are those who will tell you to spend the entire day there.
I'm happy to spend a just a couple of days in a city or town. If I've just got a couple of hours there, I'll use them. Some say you're only scratching the surface by doing it this way, but I'm not sure why that's important. I'm also not sure that going to visit every tourist site and museum in a week gives you any more depth than choosing one or two in a couple of days, and spending the rest of the time eating, drinking and wandering.
So I'm with those who like to wander round a couple of days at a time. And when I come back, I'll enjoy it all the more. And I know I'm lucky to have that option. But if you want a once-in-a-lifetime trip to be just that, and take in every aspect of a destination, then fair play to you.
Personally - I believe that every visit somewhere should leave you wanting to return. I find that very liberating, as it means I no longer feel I have to 'see it all'. I can just do what I feel like there and then, with a few researched options in mind.
And then it comes down to interest as well. I used to work near the British Museum, and have visited it a fair few times, normally for special exhibitions. However, the permanent collections? Not my thing. I love the Great Court, there's some impressive woodblock prints, and the mummies are always good for a wander through, but there are those who will tell you to spend the entire day there.
I'm happy to spend a just a couple of days in a city or town. If I've just got a couple of hours there, I'll use them. Some say you're only scratching the surface by doing it this way, but I'm not sure why that's important. I'm also not sure that going to visit every tourist site and museum in a week gives you any more depth than choosing one or two in a couple of days, and spending the rest of the time eating, drinking and wandering.
So I'm with those who like to wander round a couple of days at a time. And when I come back, I'll enjoy it all the more. And I know I'm lucky to have that option. But if you want a once-in-a-lifetime trip to be just that, and take in every aspect of a destination, then fair play to you.
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I am a very languid traveller. I'll take a leisurely early breakfast, do some sightseeing in the mid-morning to early afternoon - I like this pattern as the crowds don't seem to show up in force until noon. If I've decided on a hotel with a nice pool, I will hang out there with a book. If not, I will find a cafe, camp with the book, and take in the local colour. Then I will wash and change and decide on dinner.
I am so ready to be a retiree.
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I am so ready to be a retiree.
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You're welcome to travel with me anytime!
#53
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My wife and I use this philosophy when planning our trip. But to balance, we've also learned that you should still want to relax and not spend the whole trip in transit, so always try to find that happy medium.
6 destinations in Argentina/Uruguay in a 2 week trip - too much for such a large space. We felt like we barely scratched the surface and that every other day was a long travel day. Maybe 4 destinations would have been better, sure, we could have missed out on some great hiking or beaches, but would have felt less rushed. That said, I would very much like to visit Argentina again.
A week in Hanoi - wayyy too long. By our 3rd day we were itching to get out of the city and by day 5 we reconfigured our trip to spend a couple extra days on the beach in Phu Quoc. We had a nice time in Hanoi but when I reflect I dont necessarily have the fondest memories of the city, primarily because we were bored.
When we travel now, we try to find that balance btw getting a good sense of our destination but not overstaying our visit. Nothing makes me happier than looking back and saying 'i wish i had an extra day to explore.' If I had a month, sure, i'd love to find a quaint apartment in a charming city and just live, but sadly thats not on the horizon for the forseeable future.
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this, this this!!
A week in Hanoi - wayyy too long. By our 3rd day we were itching to get out of the city and by day 5 we reconfigured our trip to spend a couple extra days on the beach in Phu Quoc. We had a nice time in Hanoi but when I reflect I dont necessarily have the fondest memories of the city, primarily because we were bored.
When we travel now, we try to find that balance btw getting a good sense of our destination but not overstaying our visit. Nothing makes me happier than looking back and saying 'i wish i had an extra day to explore.' If I had a month, sure, i'd love to find a quaint apartment in a charming city and just live, but sadly thats not on the horizon for the forseeable future.
A week in Hanoi - wayyy too long. By our 3rd day we were itching to get out of the city and by day 5 we reconfigured our trip to spend a couple extra days on the beach in Phu Quoc. We had a nice time in Hanoi but when I reflect I dont necessarily have the fondest memories of the city, primarily because we were bored.
When we travel now, we try to find that balance btw getting a good sense of our destination but not overstaying our visit. Nothing makes me happier than looking back and saying 'i wish i had an extra day to explore.' If I had a month, sure, i'd love to find a quaint apartment in a charming city and just live, but sadly thats not on the horizon for the forseeable future.
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I love the idea of an AirBnB type stay, yet I question whether or not a week or more in a "charming city" might be too much, given my current obligations on the home front. Unless that charming city is also big and historical. We do not sit around and relax when on vacation. We like to see and do things.
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Preach.
I am doing something similar over 16 days in Eastern Europe and the Balkans this summer. I am very early on in my career and I cant afford to take a *lot* of days off. No more than 23 anyway.
I am doing something similar over 16 days in Eastern Europe and the Balkans this summer. I am very early on in my career and I cant afford to take a *lot* of days off. No more than 23 anyway.
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Agreed. However, telling someone that 1 day is not necessarily scorn. It is impossible to tell whether someone with whom one is conversing in a public forum is a person who just wants to spend a day in London or someone who is unaware of how much London has to offer. I think that it is possible that the scorn is in the mind of the receiver rather than the deliverer of the information.
For example, rather than simply post, "Visiting London for 1 day, what should I see?" I would contextualize my request as, "Hi! I'll be in London for one full day (arriving Friday night, leaving Sunday noon) this July in between trips. I know that a single day is nowhere near enough to visit all the 'must-see' attractions this world class city has to offer, but I'm curious what you'd suggest I see on a quick weekend visit. I'm particularly interested in architecture and photography, and I love walking and getting around via transit. Thanks!"
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I live on Vancouver Island. I see middle-aged European couples and families come here, rent a van or RV and spend 2 months cruising the Island and the coast of BC. This is normal for them; they go to a different country every year and spend 2 months. This is not even remotely imaginable for a non-retired person in North America..
These long term tourists come from all over the World. I met younger Americans doing a year long tour through Oz or around the planet. It does happen. And yes, you usually have to sacrifice parts of the career.
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TripAdvisor is a very interesting place with a definite philosophy built in. Part of it is the "not enough time" mantra. The other theme that pervades the place is the notion that everyone who travels wants to travel on pennies/day no matter what. I did some of my research for a recent trip to Vietnam- 12 days on the ground in Vietnam- an I got the vibe that some folks were aghast at the notion of flying from Da Nang to Hanoi (rather than taking a sleeper train), let alone actually spending the appallingly high price of $50 for tickets on the more reliable Vietnam Airlines. Seriously? We have TWELVE DAYS. Do you really think I want to waste an entire night's sleep or risk wasting an entire day to save twenty bucks??? Je ne comprend pas......
Oh well. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Oh well. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

