Getting off at stopover city
Sep 29, 2015 | 4:52 am
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Getting off at stopover city
Hi
Ive a return flight from LHR to BKK and it stops in Beijing.
I'm wondering if i were to get off at Beijing and make my own way to BKK via Hong Kong as i intend to visit Disneyland would my return flight still be valid?
Its with Air China.
Thanks.
Ive a return flight from LHR to BKK and it stops in Beijing.
I'm wondering if i were to get off at Beijing and make my own way to BKK via Hong Kong as i intend to visit Disneyland would my return flight still be valid?
Its with Air China.
Thanks.
Sep 29, 2015 | 5:03 am
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Welcome to FT!
Sep 29, 2015 | 5:56 am
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It might be worth a "sticky" thread in both Information Desk and Travel Buzz, the two places where the question comes up most often. Though half the time posters don't seem to know the proper terminology for it so maybe it wouldn't do much good.
Sep 29, 2015 | 6:15 am
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People keep helpfully suggesting these things but it never works. There was someone on the BA forum suggesting an FAQ thread. Didn't get many positive replies![Moderator note: Not to make the thread longer or get more off-topic
but over four years ago, we created an Announcement at the top of the forum to offer advice and guidelines for posting in the TravelBuzz forum.http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...forum-445.html
The announcement includes this language for hidden-city ticketing issues:
"Threads on "Hidden City" Ticketing. Many new members pose these questions. Basically the questions are based on an airfare from, say, Seattle to Chicago, round trip, being much higher than the fare from, say, Seattle to Milwaukee with a connection in Chicago. Many threads ask, since it's much cheaper to buy the Seattle-Chicago-Milwaukee RT ticket, can one just skip the Chicago to Milwaukee segment and walk off the plane in Chicago? Or can one on the return just show up at Chicago for the Seattle flight, having skipped the Milwaukee-Chicago settlement.
The universal answer to these attempts to get around "hidden-city" ticket rules is that if one skips a flight segment on a multi-flight itinerary, the airline will cancel all the remaining segments on that itinerary. If you search the TravelBuzz forum under "hidden city", you'll see lots of threads which have this same answer."] Ocn Vw 1K, for the TravelBuzz Moderator team.
Last edited by Ocn Vw 1K; Sep 30, 2015 at 10:33 am Reason: See note above.
Sep 29, 2015 | 6:43 am
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In other words, it won't work.
Sep 29, 2015 | 7:25 am
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3.3.6 In the event you do not show up for any flight, for which you are holding a reservation, without advising us in advance, we may cancel your return or onward reservations as shown in your Ticket. However, if you do advise us in advance, we will not cancel your subsequent flight reservations.
http://www.airchina.com/mm/en/genera...rnation3.shtml
The above condition seemst to show it maybe possible.
http://www.airchina.com/mm/en/genera...rnation3.shtml
The above condition seemst to show it maybe possible.
Sep 29, 2015 | 8:00 am
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3.3.6 In the event you do not show up for any flight, for which you are holding a reservation, without advising us in advance, we may cancel your return or onward reservations as shown in your Ticket. However, if you do advise us in advance, we will not cancel your subsequent flight reservations.
http://www.airchina.com/mm/en/genera...rnation3.shtml
The above condition seemst to show it maybe possible.
http://www.airchina.com/mm/en/genera...rnation3.shtml
The above condition seemst to show it maybe possible.
3.3.1 The Ticket you have purchased is valid only for the transportation shown on the Ticket，from the place of departure via any Agreed Stopping Places to the final place of destination. The fare you have paid is based upon our Tariff and is for the transportation as shown on the Ticket. The Tariff for your fare forms an essential part of our contract with you. The Ticket will not be honored and will lose its validity if all the Coupons are not used in the sequence provided in the Ticket when issued.
3.3.2 Should you wish to change any aspect of your transportation, you must contact us in advance. The fare for your new transportation will be calculated and you will be given the option of accepting the new price or maintaining your original transportation as ticketed. Should you be required to change any aspect of your transportation due to Force Majeure, you must contact us as soon as practicable and we will use reasonable efforts to transport you to your next Stopover or final destination, without recalculation of the fare.
3.3.3 Should you change your transportation without our agreement, we will assess the correct price for your actual travel. You will have to pay any difference between the price you have paid and the total price applicable for your revised transportation. The unused Coupons of your Ticket will have no value.
3.3.4 While some types of changes will not result in a change of fare, others, such as changing the place of departure or reversing the direction you travel, can result in an increase in price. Many fares are valid only on the dates and for the flights shown on the Ticket and may not be changed at all, or only upon payment of an additional fee.
3.3.2 Should you wish to change any aspect of your transportation, you must contact us in advance. The fare for your new transportation will be calculated and you will be given the option of accepting the new price or maintaining your original transportation as ticketed. Should you be required to change any aspect of your transportation due to Force Majeure, you must contact us as soon as practicable and we will use reasonable efforts to transport you to your next Stopover or final destination, without recalculation of the fare.
3.3.3 Should you change your transportation without our agreement, we will assess the correct price for your actual travel. You will have to pay any difference between the price you have paid and the total price applicable for your revised transportation. The unused Coupons of your Ticket will have no value.
3.3.4 While some types of changes will not result in a change of fare, others, such as changing the place of departure or reversing the direction you travel, can result in an increase in price. Many fares are valid only on the dates and for the flights shown on the Ticket and may not be changed at all, or only upon payment of an additional fee.
Sep 29, 2015 | 3:43 pm
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Minor point - and I don't think I'm being pedantic, because I think this could potentially be meaningful in Air China's rules: you probably do not have a stopover in Beijing. It's likely a connecting flight under the LHR-BKK tariff.
If you did have an actual stopover, e.g., LHR-PEK, stop, PEK-BKK, BKK-LHR (whether connecting back through PEK or not), then you might have more options. You'd need to read the fare rules to understand how it was priced and what you could cancel (if anything), keeping the remaining two parts intact.
Some airlines are more generous than others with stopovers, often because they want to encourage a visit to their hub city, but you usually need to fly all the segments. All of this discussion assumes you're on a nonrefundable coach ticket with the typical associated fare rules.
Isn't Bangkok more interesting than Disneyland anyway?
If you did have an actual stopover, e.g., LHR-PEK, stop, PEK-BKK, BKK-LHR (whether connecting back through PEK or not), then you might have more options. You'd need to read the fare rules to understand how it was priced and what you could cancel (if anything), keeping the remaining two parts intact.
Some airlines are more generous than others with stopovers, often because they want to encourage a visit to their hub city, but you usually need to fly all the segments. All of this discussion assumes you're on a nonrefundable coach ticket with the typical associated fare rules.
Isn't Bangkok more interesting than Disneyland anyway?
Sep 30, 2015 | 8:00 am
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Minor point - and I don't think I'm being pedantic, because I think this could potentially be meaningful in Air China's rules: you probably do not have a stopover in Beijing. It's likely a connecting flight under the LHR-BKK tariff.
If you did have an actual stopover, e.g., LHR-PEK, stop, PEK-BKK, BKK-LHR (whether connecting back through PEK or not), then you might have more options. You'd need to read the fare rules to understand how it was priced and what you could cancel (if anything), keeping the remaining two parts intact.
Some airlines are more generous than others with stopovers, often because they want to encourage a visit to their hub city, but you usually need to fly all the segments. All of this discussion assumes you're on a nonrefundable coach ticket with the typical associated fare rules.
Isn't Bangkok more interesting than Disneyland anyway?
If you did have an actual stopover, e.g., LHR-PEK, stop, PEK-BKK, BKK-LHR (whether connecting back through PEK or not), then you might have more options. You'd need to read the fare rules to understand how it was priced and what you could cancel (if anything), keeping the remaining two parts intact.
Some airlines are more generous than others with stopovers, often because they want to encourage a visit to their hub city, but you usually need to fly all the segments. All of this discussion assumes you're on a nonrefundable coach ticket with the typical associated fare rules.
Isn't Bangkok more interesting than Disneyland anyway?
I've emailed Air China, on the basis if you don't ask for sweets you don't get any.
Sep 30, 2015 | 2:18 pm
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how about after you land in BKK, connect to HKG and back to BKK on a separate ticket? or fly there on other day .PEK-HKG , HKG-BKK are also two segments, BKK to HKG return are also two segments. So ur airfare for PEK-HKG, HKG-BKK might be more expensive than BKK-HKG return
PEK to HKG is 3h35mins
BKK to HKG is 2h50mins
so BKK to HKG is shorter.
And to enter BKK twice is okey, you don't pay any visa fee.
BKK-HKG has many options including budget airline Air Asia. PEK to HKG , no option for cheap fares if that's your intention.
So, for me, it doesn't make any difference
Just my two cents...
PEK to HKG is 3h35mins
BKK to HKG is 2h50mins
so BKK to HKG is shorter.
And to enter BKK twice is okey, you don't pay any visa fee.
BKK-HKG has many options including budget airline Air Asia. PEK to HKG , no option for cheap fares if that's your intention.
So, for me, it doesn't make any difference
Just my two cents...
Sep 30, 2015 | 3:44 pm
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how about after you land in BKK, connect to HKG and back to BKK on a separate ticket? or fly there on other day .PEK-HKG , HKG-BKK are also two segments, BKK to HKG return are also two segments. So ur airfare for PEK-HKG, HKG-BKK might be more expensive than BKK-HKG return
PEK to HKG is 3h35mins
BKK to HKG is 2h50mins
so BKK to HKG is shorter.
And to enter BKK twice is okey, you don't pay any visa fee.
BKK-HKG has many options including budget airline Air Asia. PEK to HKG , no option for cheap fares if that's your intention.
So, for me, it doesn't make any difference
Just my two cents...
PEK to HKG is 3h35mins
BKK to HKG is 2h50mins
so BKK to HKG is shorter.
And to enter BKK twice is okey, you don't pay any visa fee.
BKK-HKG has many options including budget airline Air Asia. PEK to HKG , no option for cheap fares if that's your intention.
So, for me, it doesn't make any difference
Just my two cents...
Have you read the OP? He is flying to BKK via PEK and wants to get off in PEK to visit Disneyland. HKG is just a suggestion as an intermediate point to get to his destination of BKK.