Frequent fliers and drinking
#32
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: SMF
Posts: 1,251
I don't see why all the antagonism towards the OP's observation. He didn't say that everyone who travels for work is an alcoholic, just that from his observation they usually are. From my observation I certainly wouldn't say that frequent travelers usually have a problem with alcohol, I'd say that such individuals are certainly in the minority. I don't think alcohol is the issue here. People can drink as much as they want, and it has no effect on me, as long as they remain considerate of those around them.
#34
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: ORD
Programs: United 1K (Star Alliance Gold) IHG Platinum
Posts: 226
I think the question is very good and very valid.
I don't drink a lot at home, but put me in a lounge or on a plane and I am TERRIBLE. No joke - if I'm on an international flight, I don't care if it's breakfast time at the lounge, I am going to drink.
It is REALLY hard to turn down free booze.. not sure why. It's not like I can't buy it at home. Plus it seems like everyone else is drinking too. Yikes!!! I'm a grown adult with a well-compensated job and I'm worried about missing free booze?? And the "everyone else is doing it" mentality? Downright embarrassing....
I don't drink a lot at home, but put me in a lounge or on a plane and I am TERRIBLE. No joke - if I'm on an international flight, I don't care if it's breakfast time at the lounge, I am going to drink.
It is REALLY hard to turn down free booze.. not sure why. It's not like I can't buy it at home. Plus it seems like everyone else is drinking too. Yikes!!! I'm a grown adult with a well-compensated job and I'm worried about missing free booze?? And the "everyone else is doing it" mentality? Downright embarrassing....
#35
Suspended
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Atherton, CA
Programs: UA 1K, AA EXP; Owner, Green Bay Packers
Posts: 21,685
I actually think its a very interesting topic. And you put it forth in a very polite manner. You simply made an observation about human behavior. (A very astute one if I may add) And did not condemn the practice at all. It will always mystify me how sensitive people will get when the topic of drinking is brought up. And the fact that its not directed to anyone in particular, is not poking into personal business.
#36


Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Happily living in Frenaros Cyprus having escaped the near-death experience called Sofia Bulgaria
Programs: Etihad Guest Gold, DL FO and 1MM, and a bunch of others at a low level
Posts: 2,060
I've noticed that those in the world who fly frequently, especially those that travel for work, usually have a problem and or significant dependence on alcohol.
The lounges have free booze, the hotels I frequently stay at give me a welcome card and a bottle of wine....<plus expense policies depending on the employer>
I constantly struggle with this as I see business people of all races, age, etc etc finish quite a few beers/wine on the lounge, in the plane, at the bar etc.
What are your guys' thoughts on this?
No need to get personal, but I will. I struggle with this, and I attribute the time zones, spending 200+ nights on the road, flying in crappy Y. Prior to OMNI, I didn't know there was a place to post something like this!
Sorry this is isn't the usual upbeat stuff I like to post, but I have always had a passion to ask this, and since FT is literally my second home, I thought I'd ask those that live the life that I do!
The lounges have free booze, the hotels I frequently stay at give me a welcome card and a bottle of wine....<plus expense policies depending on the employer>
I constantly struggle with this as I see business people of all races, age, etc etc finish quite a few beers/wine on the lounge, in the plane, at the bar etc.
What are your guys' thoughts on this?
No need to get personal, but I will. I struggle with this, and I attribute the time zones, spending 200+ nights on the road, flying in crappy Y. Prior to OMNI, I didn't know there was a place to post something like this!
Sorry this is isn't the usual upbeat stuff I like to post, but I have always had a passion to ask this, and since FT is literally my second home, I thought I'd ask those that live the life that I do!

And what is it that you struggle with? Your drinking or other people drinking? If it is the latter, I'd say it's really not your business. If it's the former, then I wish you luck with your goal, whatever it may be.
#38
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: LAS HNL
Programs: DL DM, 5.7 MM, UA 3.1 MM, MARRIOTT PLATINUM, AVIS FIRST, Amex Black Card
Posts: 4,480
Congrats on staying sober. That is your choice. Do not judge others.
Gotta run, happy hour stats in 8 mins.
Cheers!
#40




Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: SJC/SFO
Programs: WN A+ CP, UA 1MM/*A Gold, Mar LT Tit, IHG Plat, HH Dia
Posts: 6,377
So, you don't see anything wrong with this opening statement:
This doesn't seem harsh, judgmental, or unfairly negative to you?
When posed to an audience composed of frequent travelers it doesn't seem like it might be bordering on personal accusation?
Thankfully OP has followed up in this thread to apologize for coming on too strongly. S/He has presented a more nuanced view of the situation and placed it in context of personal struggle. I thank superangrypenguin for doing this instead of taking offense at people taking offense.
When posed to an audience composed of frequent travelers it doesn't seem like it might be bordering on personal accusation?
Thankfully OP has followed up in this thread to apologize for coming on too strongly. S/He has presented a more nuanced view of the situation and placed it in context of personal struggle. I thank superangrypenguin for doing this instead of taking offense at people taking offense.
#41
Join Date: Jun 2012
Programs: IHG Spire Ambassador, Club Carlson Gold, HHonors Gold, Best Western Diamond Select, BA Blue
Posts: 1,335
I don't know why some posters get so aggressive in responding to a fairly simple and sensible question! It kind of reinforces the argument that the OP is making.
Drinking is the business of airport staff, passengers and flight crew. Being drunk on board an aircraft isn't an activity you are doing in private. And just because you're not vomiting over a fellow passenger or abusing a member of the cabin crew doesn't make it an acceptable thing to do.
Anyway, another day and another drunkard who is banned from flying. Drunk at 10.30am!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...drunk-fly.html
Until the airline industry and the police set some punishment examples and enforce a zero-tolerance policy, incidents like this will continue.
Some airline cabin crew could make a start by not encouraging excessive drinking on board during the flight.
Drinking is the business of airport staff, passengers and flight crew. Being drunk on board an aircraft isn't an activity you are doing in private. And just because you're not vomiting over a fellow passenger or abusing a member of the cabin crew doesn't make it an acceptable thing to do.
Anyway, another day and another drunkard who is banned from flying. Drunk at 10.30am!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...drunk-fly.html
A British holidaymaker was banned from a flight and escorted from the departures area at Manchester Airport for being too drunk to fly.
Police were called at 10:30am to remove the man from the secure area within the airport after he knocked over a display cabinet in a duty free shop.
Its the latest incident involving boozy travellers and it has prompted further warnings from police, who are telling passengers to know their limits.
Police were called at 10:30am to remove the man from the secure area within the airport after he knocked over a display cabinet in a duty free shop.
Its the latest incident involving boozy travellers and it has prompted further warnings from police, who are telling passengers to know their limits.
Some airline cabin crew could make a start by not encouraging excessive drinking on board during the flight.
#42
Suspended
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Ontario, Canada
Programs: Aeroplan, IHG, Enterprise, Avios, Nexus
Posts: 8,355
2) I pointed this out because after spending over half of my life drinking, I recently quit. It was the most challenging thing I have ever done. Now mind you, (i've been at home - and this is when I quit) and now staring at another 12 or so weeks of travel straight. [sigh].
May I ask if you received help in quitting? AA? CAMH? Addiction counselling? Family doctor? Or you are what is known as a "white knuckler" who quits on his own?
How do you guys/gals deal with extensive travel? What's your crutch? Or is travel something that is a non event to you where it's part of the job and you're used to it? What are some of your strategies for coping being from far from home? Being away from family? Being bored on the road?
Your problem isn't coping when far from home. It's coping without alcohol when far from home. They are two different things.
Nothing I can tell you will be of any value as I continue to consume alcohol. I could give you hints on how to moderate your intake but what you appear to want is help avoiding alcohol entirely.
I would seriously suggest you reach out to some form of addiction counselling. They've been through this before and can help you manage better than anyone here. Best of luck.
#44
Suspended
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Ontario, Canada
Programs: Aeroplan, IHG, Enterprise, Avios, Nexus
Posts: 8,355
Thank you for your kind words. I quit...alone. And yes, I've been to counseling (not AA as I'm not religious, long story there so I'll avoid it). (went to counseling post cessation)
I was asking because the common theme that I am running into is that counselers, social workers, psychologists all have the common phrase of...."wow, you live a really demanding lifestyle, I'm not surprised you drank heavily". (EDIT: see next line before hitting quote/reply)
Well great, just great. Thanks so much. (lol). So they don't know how to manage it because a) they haven't lived it and b) they haven't dealt with patients who live the life that many of us do.
I was asking because the common theme that I am running into is that counselers, social workers, psychologists all have the common phrase of...."wow, you live a really demanding lifestyle, I'm not surprised you drank heavily". (EDIT: see next line before hitting quote/reply)
Well great, just great. Thanks so much. (lol). So they don't know how to manage it because a) they haven't lived it and b) they haven't dealt with patients who live the life that many of us do.
Don't be too quick to rule out AA. While they have a preachy reputation they will have among their members someone who has lived your situation and can relate. If not I'd suggest CAMH who can also help you cope in the high risk situations.
http://www.camh.ca/en/hospital/care_..._programs.aspx
Nothing against anyone here but you probably need more than can be offered by anonymous strangers on the Internet.
#45


Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Virginia City Highlands
Programs: Nothing anymore after 20 years
Posts: 7,190

